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31 Jul 2014 14:29:21
The match between Brie Bella and Stephanie could be a decent one. But I think HHH should step in and make it a bra and panties match. I know I'd watch it.

Stone Colds Twin

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I rate Steph exceptionally highly as a performer, her facial expressions are as good as anyone in the business and she commands authority well.

That said I have little desire to see her wrestle again.

Then unless its an evening gown match, pillow fight, bikini contest, or chocolate pudding match I have little interest in any of the divas.

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30 Jul 2014 23:27:52
Breaking news Ricardo Rodriguez has been released have a feeling he will be the first of many cuts over the next couple of days

Call

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I always liked Ricardo, but anyone who has been off tv for more than 6 months needs to be concerned.

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Not a big loss but hang onto your hats folks because this is just the start of a wave of releases

JEPW

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Please future endeavour Khali, has to be the most uncomfortable in-ring performer I have ever seen, I get he's a merchandising dream in india but enoughs a nuff!

Pumpywawa

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We only get about a dozen performers on the main roster anyway.

Who gives a crap if they release Justin Gabriel and David Otunga?

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30 Jul 2014 22:59:10
A couple of things I would do to improve WWE right now.
obviously realistically, can't be massive changes but:
1) bring back a show like main event for late 80s where the likes of Flair, Mr Perfect & others sat round a table in a decent discussion and had current wrestlers on. Was really good, heels brought heat down on themselves and generally good crack.
2) If wwe won't move on from Pg, then I would do this- have 3 PPV events a year called something like 'WWE After Dark'. Where blood, weapons and general attitude era style matches happen.
4) always said, bring in a legends championship. A lot still have what it takes even for just a 5-10 min match. Get rid of US title, and this would be awesome. Psycho Sid, Hacksaw, DDP, Vader, Tatanka, IRS etc would be great to see every now and then.
5) simple again, back stage promos. Mean gene was always brill at this and in the past, some legendary promos, especially the 10 mins of royal rumble entrants every year saying they are going to win.
6) lastly- heel or face. You have to have faces and heels. Otherwise it's just unCharismatic guys, wrestling. Some draw heat, others and baby face. Simple. Always worked.
Making turns all the better.
Sorry for the ramble.

MikeH

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Good points, though the WWE will never bring back head shots or blading.

I think the best we can hope for from "after dark" would be some industrial language.

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30 Jul 2014 22:05:36
Hate to be critical but noticed that the talk wrestling twitter hasn't been used recently.. ETC

Call

{Ed008's Note - My fault Call I've completely forgot about the Twitter account in the last few months it was made to promote this site will look to use it more often thanks for bringing it up.

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Its like you don't even care about my Bristol City ramblings!

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30 Jul 2014 20:46:20
I been going on about the finances of the WWE for a while. There is a revenue meeting tomorrow and the disappointing earings from the Newtwork means large numbers of sackings - a figure of up to 10% of all staff has been mentioned. I have fears for the future of NXT and the general standard overall.

COYS

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Did I type earings?? Earnings of course, but recently the earings have been disappointing.

COYS

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They are well over staffed, but this is what happens when you float your company.

Being profitable and employing people is no longer important, you have to manage your share price and earn enough cash to pay juicy dividends to your investors.

The WWE makes a boat load of cash, but if it doesn't get bigger year on year the share holders will sack the brass.

{Ed001's Note - you do realise that it is being profitable that allows a company to pay dividends on the shares right? Being profitable is the number one priority and right now the WWE is struggling, badly. The network is a failure so far, rather than investing in better quality programmes and trying to turn it round, the WWE have just slashed its budget. Almost like they have given up on the idea ever working. The McMahons clearly hadn't thought this through and had not planned it out well. Anyone could see that it would not be an immediate success, that it would take long term investment in higher quality new programming, as well as shows from the archives, to make it work. Clearly the McMahons just expected it to be an instant success. This is about as well thought out and planned as a business strategy as their bodybuilding and American football schemes were.}

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When I said being profitable isn't important I meant as in 10 years ago paying everyone's wages and making one dollar was seen as a massive success in the Wrestling business.

Now its not about turning a profit, its about turning enough profit.

The WWE must make millions of dollars every year, just not enough for wall street.

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30 Jul 2014 19:28:15
If Cena missed last weeks raw to film Trainwreck then the match against Cesaro must have been the trailer for it. I can't believe theirs sheeple out there that thought Cena did wrestle circles around Cesaro & proved everybody wrong. I bet Yokozuna or Viscera could have pulled off a better hurricanrana than him, the person practically powerbombed himself. His health insurance will skyrocket if he keeps attempting that.
I got no problem with Cena beating Cesaro as it makes perfect sense going into summerslam but you can't sell the idea that that was great wrestling & Cena proved a point.
Did he prove himself to anyone on here?

Woody101

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I thought it was a good match, and Cena showed he can do a job in the right circumstances.

He is the draw, Cesaro can wrestle a stick, put them together.

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30 Jul 2014 13:17:43
Is it me or would anyone else like to see the hardcore title back abd have it on the line 24/7 that use to be good watching it

stephen b

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I think hardcore wrestling has had its day.

The odd hardcore match would be fine, but I wouldn't want to see it full time.

I think making the US title Smackdown exclusive would make both the show and the title more prominent.

{Ed007's Note - I'd like to see a hardcore competition become an annual event culminating in a title match up at Wrestlemania. Remember the way there was KOTR qualifiers? Launch it with a match at the Royal Rumble and have a qualifier hardcore match on every RAW and Smackdown until there's only two left to fight for the Hardcore Trophy rather than belt at WM.
I'd also have the winner of the MITB match up against the hardcore champ at Survivor Series in November which is roughly halfway between Wrestlemanias, the winner of the Survivor Series match gets No.30 entry in the upcoming Royal Rumble.}

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30 Jul 2014 19:48:18
I can't imagine how exciting the hardcore title would be in a PG show.

Woody101

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The hardcore title is bad for business all it does. Is desensitise the audience to use of weapons.

JEPW

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Well I use to enjoy it didn't mean I went round hitting people with a chair me and my mate did the odd 3d move to the year 7s in school though lol

stephen b

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Sorry to THE use of weapons, no I don't believe that WWE are responsible for others using chairs or even wrestling moves.
what I meant was that because of the Hardcore title (and ECW) the use of a steel chair does not make anyone bat an eyelid anymore because it was so overused, so reintroducing the hardcore title would not only mean that to get a reaction from the crowd they would have to take more risks and use riskier weapons which will lead to more injuries, shorter careers and shorter lives but also it means that the audience will care less and less about the use of these weapons because they are seeing it every week.

just an example of this in the late 1970's early 1980's you could run a whole month rivalry on one punch with the use of a roll of quarters.

JEPW

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Ok was just a thought but using a chair once in a while would not hurt

stephen b

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I would like to see cruiser weight title back and European as the likes of barrett shamus cissaro could fight for that one

stephen b

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I'd rather see a Lightweight Title come back.

The WWE won't allow headshots with weapons, blood, or people in the midcard trying to steal the show with stunts. A hardcore title would be a welp of what it used to be.

The 24/7 thing was a good gimmick for Crash, and made for a few funny bits on Raw, but it wouldn't be much cop today.

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Yer used to be funny with crash and hardcore holly lol

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29 Jul 2014 23:13:15
I always think that Jericho's entrance would be better if it was all dark and then his coat sparkled and then the fireworks and music (preferably with countdown). the layout now isn't great.

spoc

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Fozzy's last single "When the lights go out" would make great entrance music.

Baring in mind his entrance has the lights go out I thought it would have been a great time to freshen it all up with his own theme tune.

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29 Jul 2014 22:43:26
If u were the owner of the WWE what would u change? Would u have a brand split? Who would be the face and heel of the company?

Wee Cubby

{Ed008's Note - Everytime a question like this comes up I change my mind when it comes to brand split depending how good WWE television is on atm, 1 WWE World Championship IC Title on Raw and bring back the Cruiserweight Championship onto Smackdown with the US Title.

I'd have Ambrose,Bryan,Cesaro,Orton,Reigns,Rollins at the top of the card with the Titles and Main Event programs and if allowed Punk as the No1 Heel of the company if he were to return.

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I would sell then go sit on abeach for the rest of my life!
no but seriously I would get rid of the gimmicks, the skits and the FAKE comedy we see every week.
I would make the presentation of Raw a bit more raw to give the feel that anything could happen.
I would get rid of handing scripts to people to learn and give them time to get themselves over.
I would introduce a more sports like feel to the program by after having the match an interviewer, interviews the talent at ringside.
I would get a permanent host and expert panel to discuss what they just saw and the matches ahead.
I would get rid of the third hour.
get rid of steph and HHH (from T. V at least)
I would make everything about the titleS.
I would introduce time limits to the matches.
I would get VERY serious.
I would introduce more rules like not being able to throw someone over the top rope, no diving from the top rope, no closed fist, no piledrivers etc. so then the Heels have rules that they can break to screw the good guys out of a match.
I would bring in fines and suspensions.
I would bring in more loser leaves town matches.
I would get rid of the mats at ringside.
I would bring in more ref stoppages due to knockout.
I would bring in more matches where money is on the line, i. e $500,000 vs the tag title belts. and tournaments where cash is the prize with a trophy.

JEPW

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Some really great ideas there JEPW, I agree with getting rid of the comedy skits, or perhaps confine them to Main Event which could become the TVPG zone for the kids. Also love the idea of making it about titles as this would solve my biggest issue at the moment which is restoring prestige to midcard titles.
I would have the brand spilt again but like it was originally with an undisputed champion who appears on both shows, then have the Intercontinetal and US titles as the top title on each show, give those not gunning for the big belt some tv time and meaningful feuds, use those titles to groom the next set of guys.
I would have Raw and Smackdown TV14, not to have the raunch of the attitude era back, but to make it more grounded in reality, if I was feuding with someone I supposedly hate for whatever reason I'm not going to do some stupid Cena cheese comedy, I'd probably cool him a a*****le and such like. It would also enable the gimmick matches such as Hell in a Cell, Extreme Rules to actually shine how dull are the PG Hell in a cell matches.
I would sack King or have him return to heel commentary, re-hire JR in place of Cole, promote Regal to main colour commentary.
Actually enforce rules, how many times has double teaming gone unpunished.
I would ignore Vince's idea of no more faces or heels, I would have genuine heat seeking heels.
Book longterm, think at least 6 months ahead and map it out write it all way in advance like they do a soap so they know with 100% clarity the direction for each star, feud and title.
More tagteams, build the division up again

There is so much more but I'm probably boring you all now

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I agree with you popa on the long term booking, but I think that JR's time has passed, he is over 60 and I am pretty sure he does not want the stress of traveling every week. Many be Kevin Kelly would be the best option.
And I think having a pg rating for a. Program that ends at 11 o'clock at night is a bit silly, but that does not mean we suddenly hit each other with baseball bats with barbed wire on fire.

JEPW

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I think the best thing for a brand split wouldn't be to actually separate them but to make Raw a adult product and Smackdown PG.

Don't make it too obvious, but just more swearing, more aggression in matches, adult themed feuds, and skimpier costumes for the divas on a Monday. Smackdown could be at the level Raw is now, and shown at an earlier time.

Bad guys need to be dirtier, too many of them are actually cooler than their face counter parts.

Finish all angles.

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It's not about adult vs children, it's about reality vs fakery.
You can have really fake adult product just tna did early on and in 2010 but that does not mean it will be more effective.
But if you gear your product to be more like a sport I. e get rid of the gimmicks etc, then people will start to see it more seriously and thus will care about the outcome and therefore will pay to see it.

JEPW

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I don't mind WWE half as much as everybody else seems to, I just want to see a little more violence (not weapons or tables or anything) but people looking like they want to hurt the guy they are so say angry with.

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29 Jul 2014 18:44:14
Really excited about Kenta and Devitt officially signed. Which means Neville should be called up really soon. NXT should continue to be the show to watch with Sammy Callihan due to debut aswell. How would you like Neville to debut on the main roster? i'd like to see a host of video clips of Neville showing his skills in Japan (not like that will happen) and a build up to his first RAW. I'd have a backstage segment with Bryan who acknowledges his past and endorses him. They both get beaten down by Orton and Kane which leads to a match where Neville gets the clean win over Orton.

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29 Jul 2014 20:47:14
Samurai Del Sol was on NXT the other night as well. NTX is starting to look even better now

Jim

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I would love to see a new Nexus or Shield type deal where by the most ready of NXT come up together and move through the ranks quickly with strength in numbers.

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29 Jul 2014 11:46:20
Name 5 Positives/Negatives of the current WWE product be interesting to see people's opinions.

ED008

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29 Jul 2014 12:34:35
Positives -
1. Fresh faces being pushed
2. AJ v Paige lifting the Divas Division
3. Jericho v Wyatt is guaranteed to provide Wyatt with the platform to bounce back from Cena storyline
4. Ambrose v Rollins simply brilliant
5. NXT just gets better.

Negatives
1. Misuse of talent like Ziggler, Sandow, Cesaro
2. Part time players - Yes, It will great to see Lesnar beat Cena but do we need another part time champ? (rock)
3. Bryan's injury
4. Jerry Lawler - tired and boring. JBL is excellent in my opinion
5. Talent pushing WWE Network. We don't need to hear Cena telling us to sign up. If the product excites us, we'll do it anyway!

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Positives
1) lesnar- the only money draw in wrestling
2) some good young talent
3) Rollins is coming along like I thought he would
4) zeb colter is still there
5) their WWE network has real wrestling on it.
Negatives
1) the fakery in the story lines
2) matches with spots that would not be anywhere in a real wrestling match
3) Cena
4) it being called sports entertainment and not wrestling.
5) the bellas, can't stand them, no talent.

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Positives:

1 - Shield are all being booked pretty strong.
2- Brock Lesnar is back.
3 - Paige might finally get booked right.
4 - Might finally see Sting in a big arena again.
5 - Bray Wyatt has not been made a jobber, YET!

Negatives:

1- There is honestly too much to narrow it down to just 5.

RealBigBear

{Ed008's Note - Big Bear the whole point is to name 5 of each regardless..

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Positives.
1. They seem like they're letting a little more physicality back in to the ring.
2. They are attempting to make the big PPV's seem a little more special (failing but nice to see them trying)
3. The talent coming through being given the ball.
4. The return to one world champion (there is only room at the top for one)
5. The WWE network offering you the chance to relive when it was really good.

Negatives.
1. How pointless 75% of the shows are (as in there is literally no point, why did Bo fight RTruth last night? What was the match about?)
2. They focus all story on Raw and totally ignore Smackdown.
3. The same top tier stars are trying to shut the door on the up and comers.
4. They are really ramming the Divas down our throats.
5. The commentary is awful.

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Positives
1- Some good talent finally being pushed (Wyatt family, Rollins, Reigns, Ambrose, Uso's)

2- Lesnar and Heyman, Together equals money and Lesnar is a beast in the ring, brings a certain legitimacy to proceedings

3- Some intriguing and drawn out storylines, Bryan's struggle to the top, Rollins and Ambrose

4-Focus on Diva's who can wrestle rather than fitness models, (AJ, Paige, er that's it)

5-Higher profile for Tag title (although division still lacks depth)

Negatives
1- SuperCena all the time, change the record please
2- No prestige for midcard titles use them to build up the next guy like it used to be, almost every intercontinetal champ went on to be the World champ at one point, it used to be given to the guy who would have the best match each and every night to get him recognised so he would then draw as champ, do it again.
3- Lack of tag team depth (only really 4 teams)
4- Too many meaningless storylines (depsite some good ones, generally top feuds the mid card is floundering)
5- Constant last minute booking is seriously affecting the quality of the product (Cesaro's random push to be top 4 face to non pushed heel springs to mind)- Long term planning has always delivered the best product

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Positives
1. Roman reigns the guy has all the tools to be the next "guy"
2. Ambrose, Rollins Bo and Bray, showing they're is hope for the future.
3. Paige and AJ I actually care and enjoy a divas match for the first time since eve and Kelly kelly left, and great to see the hometown girl at the top.
4. Jbl although his "bad news" is cringeworthy he does a great job in selling talent like Bo and is a great heel commentator.
5. Sting joining the company, as a kid I was a big WCW fan and sting for me is one of my two all time favourites. (no prizes for guessing the other)

Honourable mention
Swagger vs rusev really enjoying this fued first time ever swagger hasn't bored me and zeb is gold.

Negatives
1. No cm punk, the product is just better with him BEST IN THE WORLD enough said.
2. Cena holding the belts seen it to often don't need to see anymore.
3. Bryan's injury, although I don't think reigns push would be as big if he was around it is a miss from the company.
4. King, don't notice if he's missing and contributes very little when he's around replace him with Alex Riley or regal.
5. Talent. I don't believe wwe are using all the talent to its fullest I still really rate zack Ryder and Adam rose was better as Leo Kruger. And ziggler is obviously in the wrong spot on the card.

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1. NXT
2. Wyatt, Rollins, Ambrose
3. Potential of tag division
4. Signing Devitt and Kenta
5. Anytime Brock wrestles.

1. John Cena
2. Stop start pushes! Cesaro especially.
3. Sandow wtf?
4. Why do Devitt, Kenta, Zayn, Neville have to go to NXT? Joke.
5. Smackdowns fake crowd noise. can't watch the show

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I forgot the comedy, the skits, the bad acting, all the promos sounding the same, the cookie cutter look.

JEPW

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Positive
1 divas division better even the steph story line
2 lesnar is hopefully going to be champ
3 wyattts and sheild are still good and booked right
4 y2j is back
5 young talent coming through
Negative
1 the belts don't change hands enough
@ to many ppv
3 not enough time to build story line
4 ziggler needs pushing
5 bring back the punt to the head lol

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Positives:
1: Some great talent breaking through. The shield members, the wyatts etc.
2. Tag team division seems to be getting a boost.
3. NXT. Some great actual matches on there.
4. The fans at some arenas.
5. The network. Some classics on there.
Negatives:
1: definate mis use of talent like Ziggler, Sandown and cesaro.
2. Not enough building of feuds, backstage interviews should be used more like the old days and run ins.
3. Too many PPV events. The big 4 & couple more would be enough
4. Constant twitter, advertising etc.
5. Repetitive matches. Sometimes week in week out. Then again months later. Build a feud over weeks - 2 month leading to a PPV showdown then move on.

MikeH

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Positives:
1: Cena looks like he'll drop the belt at Summerslam
2: Wyatt looks as if he will take over from the Undertaker role as long term "mystery" character
3: Some good talent coming through to replace the main event roster that have been lost and not replaced up till now
4: Renee - nuff said
5: Brock looks as if we will wrestle a bit more up to Wrestlemania
Negatives:
1: I am not a wrestler and holding the championship belt :)
2: Undertaker looks like he may retire
3: I can not get excited by 90% of matches on raw or PPV's
4: Commentary - poor. very very poor.
5: Too PG - yes they have to sell to kids but the adult viewers also need to be entertained as well

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29 Jul 2014 00:38:59
renee young is the best announcer WWE has! she is certainly my favourite after she mentioned Giant Haystacks!

JEPW

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William Reagel for me. Has never ending stories and can actually call the moves.

RealBigBear

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I like Regal, and I love Renee, for very different reasons.

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Regal renee jbl be my team

stephen b

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I don't mind Cole, I just wish he was talking about what's going on in the ring rather than discussing what's trending.

I'm sure he isn't doing that off his own back.

Bring back Joey Styles.

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28 Jul 2014 22:27:00
With the possibity that TNA's going under potentially as soon as september, do you think Vince will buy it up. If he did then i'm sure the main reason would be to add their library to the network.
If he did buy it then would you like to see them have another crack at the invasion angle that flopped big time last time.

Woody101

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I think this is more like 1988 than 2001 andif anyone is to buy TNA it would be Spike and not WWE as really they would only buy it for their tapes and to be honest I don't think WWE would value those tapes highly at all.

JEPW

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29 Jul 2014 13:32:39
I agree JEPW, I don't see WWE buying TNA. TNA has made its name with some stars who left WWE for whatever reasons but if WWE were to take over most of them would lose there jobs. What I can see happening is Jeff Jarret with his new company Global Force Wrestling starting to buy back the company and disolve it into GFW

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No he does not need to buy TNA as TNA as a brand is just awful. They are seen as incompetent and their story lines are seen as Russoised. And I know Jeff wants and needs a fresh start a new chance to make a good first impression that TNA squandered with the really bad creative by Russo.

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I suspect they would just buy it for the library.

If people like Angle or Hardy ever do become part time WWE attractions they will own the blank spots in their careers.

A definitive Sting DVD requires the TNA library.

An ultimate Dudley DVD would benefit from owning it.

Foleys last matches?

A little chunk of Hogan's career is now in there.

The episodes are not worth much, but the individual matches of decent wwe stars would be nice.

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28 Jul 2014 18:56:24
anyone agree that its time to start boycotting wwe? its getting beyond a joke with all the silly gimmicks and childish matches and remarks.

John Cena: for instance is just so much of a suck up its unbelievable, with his stupid replys to a serious promo.

Adam Rose: I mean come on really? a man in a bunny costume a banana dancing around with a bloody lollypop.

Hornswoggle: doesn't have to be explained and the wee bull guy aswell.

the real fans are getting ignored in favour of kids gimmicks and stupid dance gimmicks aswell.

no blood, no headshots, no dangerous moves ie piledriver, no crazy hell in a cell matches, no direction every match is easy to predict, every heel can't win clean.


anyone agree? including u ED?

Wee Cubby

{Ed008's Note - Nope theirs more positives then negatives and you've failed to mention them..

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28 Jul 2014 23:33:39
Quick question Wee cubby who did you think would win taker vs lesnar and be honesty because I think most people on this site would agree that the result of that match wasnt easy to predict

Call

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The point in making is its only going to get worse. Still is far too predictable. Lesnar vs undertaker never made any sense never seen it coming but yeah ih well lol

Wee Cubby

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Well said Ed, I think on this site we all have a tendancy to focus on the negatives, maybe we should all post what are our favourite aspects of the product right now

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I agree with your assessment of the current situation wee but the way to go to fix a problem about belief, because you basically said there is a lot of unbelievable gimmicks, is not to give these gimmicks, gimmicked up weapons that no one will believe in, it is to get rid of the gimmicks and introduce story lines that people can believe, as the best story lines are the ones that people believe in, I. e when CM Punk left with the title, when the NWO came into Nitro and there are many other examples.

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Its almost like they are making it for children.

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That said when I was a lad they used to have hard hitting serious storylines like a former jail house warden vs a corrupt Mountie.

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28 Jul 2014 21:47:27
And just when I was about to give up and switch off until Batista or Punk return the beast is back, Brock has saved the day. Heyman is a genius with a mic in his hand which is just as well because it seems creative have just gotten lazy. The only problem is with Brock only being part time would they have Cena drop the titles to him? If Cena walks out of SumerSlam champion (unlikely I know) how many people will stop watching I wonder. One thing I wish Vince or whoever is really running things now would do is bring back JR, Cole must be an exception arse kisser to have stuck around this long, personally I think JR and JBL would do a great job. Dream story line to come up for me would have Brock terrorize the company, just interrupting matches whenever he wanted, have Hayman as guest commentator and then you hear the glass smash with Sheriff Stone Cold to 'keep the peace'. I know Austins knees can't handle a full on role in the WWE but I remember when he got injured and had his little sheriffs badge running riot. The WWE is getting very close to being mediocre, some would say that ship has sailed and the show is already too boring. Now I know they won't scrap the PG13 bs but there needs to be a massive shake up from top to bottom.

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I heard someone talk about the invisible promo wall today, where one guy stands at the top of the ramp and the other in the ring and for some reason they never charge each other anymore.

Bray can stand there and flap his gums for ten minutes and the guy he's knocking doesn't charge the ring with a steel chair anymore.

When did they all become so weak.

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28 Jul 2014 21:15:08
hey ed, do you mind if I promote my blog?
I will put a link to your site in a prominent place.

JEPW

{Ed007's Note - Not at all J, wire in and keep us up to date when you update it.}

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Thank you ed.
the pro wrestling link is:
worrallsworld. weebly.com/blog/category/prowrestling
normal site:
worrallsworld. weebly. com

JEPW

{Ed008's Note - Are all your blogs about Jim Cornette?

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I have not mentioned cornette at all yet and the one wrestling blog I have done since I started it yesterday does not even sound like anything he has said. but there may be a book review or two of his yet.

JEPW

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28 Jul 2014 23:30:00
Just had a look at it now JEPW looks great looking forward to your blog about raw tonight

Call

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Thank you call it be out tomorrow.

JEPW

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Raw review blog out now.

JEPW

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I will check this out.

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28 Jul 2014 20:45:41
Quick question for everyone will lesnar vs cena be a better main event than Bryan vs cena from last year

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I don't think so, last years main event was well good and very surprising.

TheGreatOne

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I suspect it will be good, mainly because people are not expecting too much.

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28 Jul 2014 20:09:34
Alright, I'll like evrybody to rate how good these matches would be, out of 10, performance wise.

Bray v Brock
Rock v Brock
Rock v Bray
Y2J v Brock
Reigns v Rollins
Ambrose v bray
Bryan v Brock

TheGreatOne

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28 Jul 2014 21:07:25
Rock vs bray 7/10

Rock vs brock 8/10

Rock vs bray 7/10

Y2j vs brock 8/10

Reigns vs Rollins 8/10

Ambrose vs bray 9/10

Bryan vs brock 8/10

Call

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You know I can not really tell you how well these matches would be in the ring and I do not think anyone else could either because it is all in the build up.
lets take bryan vs brock lesnar as an example, if they just said brock wanted a match with bryan and heyman did a few promos and little time was invested into the build-up of this match then the crowd would not be that into it, it would get less time and the two performers would not be as up to a good match as if they had brock going to bryan house, beating him up there, beating his wife up, tarnishing his late fathers name etc. the crowd would be more up for seeing bryan get his own back, raising the passion levels of the two performers which would give rise to a better level of performance.

JEPW

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But all that being said of course, ranking them in order of matches I want to see:
1) bryan vs brock
2) rock vs brock
3) reigns vs rollins
4) Y2J vs brock
5) rock vs bray
6)ambrose vs bray
7)bray vs brock

JEPW

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I would fear for Bryan against Brock he would look like a bearded boy stood near him.

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28 Jul 2014 19:39:33
Right. How is Cena/Lesnar going to pan out at Summerslam?
a) Lesnar eventually wins despite a 'brave' Cena effort, thus keeping Cena's image intact.
b) Cena wins making anyone over 14 turn off.
c) Cena wins after a massive effort and while he is still knackered, Rollins cashes in.
d) Lesnar slaughters Cena.
e) Outside interference from Reigns/Kane/Orton causes one of them to be disqualified.
My favourite would be d but I suspect it will be a or b.

COYS

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28 Jul 2014 20:33:19
Anything other than D then me & mark are going to stop watching.

Woody101

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Have you considered Lesnar kills Cena and as Brock celebrates the Authority beating him down and Rollins cashes in and leaves Summerslam champion?

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Or some 1 comes back and attacks both of them and then rollins cashes in

stephen b

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Like sting with his bat

stephen b

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26 Jul 2014 17:33:46
So we are just over half a year in 2014 and the 7 questions I want to ask everyone is this

1) best match of year so far

2) best Ppv of year so far

3) most impactul debut of the year so far

4) best manager of the year so far

5) most surprising moment of the year so far

6) best return of the year so far

7) saddest moment of the year so far

These are mine

1) shield vs evolution - at extreme rules

2) wm30

3)Rusev

4) the one behind the 21-1 Paul heyman

5) BROCCCCK LESNAR defeating the streak

6) mix between hogan and y2j

7) death of warrior

Call

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26 Jul 2014 17:59:26
1. Tied between Sheild v Wyatts at elimination chamber & Zayn v Cesaro at NXT arrival.
2. Either of the 2 NXT shows for its wrestling & WM30 for its moments.
3. Paige
4. Lana
5. Brock ending the streak
6. Jake The Snake at old school Raw
7. Death of Warrior

Woody101

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Liking the post call.

1) the shield vs the wyatt family - elimination chamber

2) royal rumble

3) stardust

4) mr paul heyman

5) cm punks walk out

6) y2j

7) Death of warrior

MATOLI83

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1 wyatts vs usos battle ground
2 wm30
3 sheild
4 colter and hayman
5 the streak
6 lesna
7 warriors death

stephen b

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27 Jul 2014 12:23:00
Shield v Wyatt's em
Wm
Rollins
Hetman
Streak
Y2J
Warriors Death :(

TheGreatOne

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1. Zayn v Cesaro NXT Arrival
2. WM30 minus Cena
3. Bo Dallas (technically re-debut but hey I Bo-lieve)
4. Heyman
5. The streak is over
6. SCSA just awesome to see him back in a WWE ring
7. Warrior's death after such an amazing weekend for the guy

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1) I really enjoyed Sheamus vs Barrett on Raw

2) Mania

3) Rusev and Lana

4) Lana

5) The mass release of lower card talents.

6) Evolution

7) The Shield folding up in such a average way.

Yes, I did go out of my way to not just pick the obvious answers.

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Just to play the devils advocate I notice everyone is voting Paul Heyman as the manager of the year so far.

If you took out his promotion of Brock (who almost promotes himself) and the one match at Wrestlemania how much credit does Heyman really deserve for his work with Rybaxle and Cesaro?

I would say by his own standards Heyman is having a very average year.

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Good thing we don't have to take out the undertaker win, if we did zeb would win it for me even though I have not watched the show.

JEPW

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28 Jul 2014 15:05:03
With the exception of a few great promo's (including last weeks one), Heymans been pretty dull so far this year. Stands out still compared to most other talkers but not by his own standards. Apart from Taker he hasn't had much to do.
Lana's hands down (& knees) the best manager of the year so far.

Woody101

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Lana has helped Rusev from obscurity to being a solid midcard heel, sure he is helped by the troubles in Ukraine, but she creates his whole gimmick. Without her he is just a tough looking bloke.

Heyman main job this year was to light a fire under Cesaro (who was already halfway there when he dumped Zeb) and frankly he was notably less interesting.

The best thing Heyman has done this year was not as a manager. It was when they sent him out first in Chicago to chill out the Punk based riot. He owned them.

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26 Jul 2014 16:29:52
Just watched this and man it brought back some great memories.



Firstly just how good was Macho Man in his prime, one the best ever.
Second I wish we had commentary like Jesse and Bobby the Brain now far superior to what we have to put up with.
Lastly The Mega Powers Explode what an awesome storyline, over a year in the making, why creative can't book long term anymore is a mystery.
One final thing, I forgot how ace Lanny Poffo was, he really knew how to draw heat {Ed007's Note -

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26 Jul 2014 18:03:51
I never liked the genius as a kid, he seemed really creepy, Jimmy saville type creepy.

Woody101

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Woody101 - nothing wrong with a heel being creepy. There's no-one on today's roster getting reactions like that.

Would help the faces get over so much more if they actually had proper heels to face. Vince's thought that there is no faces or heels nowadays will ultimately hurt the product long term

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I'm with Woody on this. Never liked the genius. And I have to say how out-dated this match was.

COYS

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It only seems outdated because todays product doesn't try and make you think its real.

To an extent matches were slow because that's probably how a real fight would go.

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I grew up on this stuff so it probably rose tinted spec mode. However, I agree there are no heels that make you truely hate them anymore, I hated the Genius growing up. I would argue against the idea that matches were slow back then, Hogan matches yes because he wasnt a great worker, but look at stuff like Savage vs Steamboat, or Flair vs Steamboat. Bulldogs vs Hart Foundation, all exceptional matches that stand the test of time. I think the main difference from then and now is ring psychology I feel this is a dying art, the story telling in ring took a back seat to spot monkeys in an attempt to get the instant crowd gratification. I think it is slowly coming back and Rollins and Ambrose despite not actually having a match yet have shown great storyline psychology thus far

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Agreed Ambrose and Rollins is a proper feud, I think the matches will live up to the hype as well.

The WWE are getting that right, even though I was upset they cancelled the Payback match it now only makes me want it more.

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26 Jul 2014 07:19:08
Apparently daniel Bryan needs an another surgery because his right arm is much more weaker than his left so I don't know if he will be back or not I really hope he does. But don't expect him back by possibly wrestlemania

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Was still too much for the potential burglars though!

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I'm not saying he is milking it, but if you had the year he had last year and you know it can't get much better wouldn't you want some time off?

His new wife has managed to get some time off at the same time as well.

If he is still getting paid well, I'm sure he will take his time.

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25 Jul 2014 15:19:26
Regarding the thread about starting new threads I find it annoying too that people start new threads when there are others about the same subjects:)

JEPW

{Ed007's Note - It's partly our fault J, we can edit from our phones and tablets so if Ed008 posts something I might not see it and post up something similar and vice versa.}

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I was joking because I needlessly started a new thread about needlessly starting new threads when bessex said he found people starting a new thread needlessly is annoying

JEPW

{Ed007's Note - I did see the irony in it but it's still a fair point J.}

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You'd be surprised how often it happens.

I'm also surprised people don't seem to scroll more than a few posts down.

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25 Jul 2014 12:28:22
What is all this WWE Transformed talk about?

TheGreatOne

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25 Jul 2014 13:40:45
Some new make up thing made by an artistic company, looks absolutely shat

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Why when there are threads discussing thing do you guys keep making new threads?

The answer is literally a few posts down, and the Great One started that as well?

Anyway it was a WWE concept art thing for the website.

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Has anyone actually had a look at the "transformations" on the website. I actually quite like Seamus, Kane and Wyatt's "concepts". Lesnar, HHH would not do anything for them and Kofi's one makes him look like a 2014 version of Max Moon.

Think I like them as they are a throw back to the sort of look wrestlers had from my childhood

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I saw them, I shrugged, I only considered it again because people kept asking on here.

Those characters might make a fine kids comic.

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25 Jul 2014 08:08:56
Quick question on today's poll is it any championship in wwe or is it just the wwe world championship

Call

{Ed008's Note - A WWE Champion

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Is the Rock not black enough for you?

His Dad was Rocky Johnson for God's sake!

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25 Jul 2014 16:59:27
To be fair Bessex, a lot of black fans don't see him as black at all or at least definatly black enough.
It looked like Lashley was going to be the one at one point but then he ran into Cena.
I'd love to see a full black wwe champ but none from the current crop so could be a long wait, will probably have a first English champ before then.

Woody101

{Ed007's Note - In his movie Snitch, his son and wife are both white in that. The Rock is not black as in African-American, have a read at this./a>
Myself I always see him as more Samoan/Polynesian and think he himself puts that out there, technically he is mixed race as his father is of Black Nova Scotian origin and his mother is Samoan.
Bessex if The Rock is seen as black because of his father then you must think Ryan Giggs is black as well.}

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I think he is black because I have seen him, I will grant you he isn't Mark Henry black, but we are now arguing over shades. I suppose he is more south sea island

If Ryan Giggs natural father is black I will be shocked? I'm not saying he is not, but if his old man looks like Lenny Henry he should be considering a dna test.

{Ed007's Note - Have a look halfway down this article on Giggs and you'll see him as a kid with his biological dad. There's loads of pictures/articles

http://goo.gl/jJG7GK

It's well known that Giggs is of mixed race, you're going by skin colour, Bes, I'm going by race and genetics. How can you say The Rock is black because of his dad but Giggs isn't? Rocky Johnson doesn't look like Ahmed Johnson or Bobby Lashley so maybe The Rock should be looking for a DNA test - for God's sake! ;)

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The most extreme example of this is an argument I had with the missus about the fact LA Clippers power forward Blake Griffin is a white guy.

Is Wes Brown black?

In this world of hyper sensitivity there are so many races its hard to say what you mean.

I mean what race is Maven? would he qualify as a black man?

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The most extreme example of this is an argument I had with the missus about the fact LA Clippers power forward Blake Griffin is a white guy.

Is Wes Brown black?

In this world of hyper sensitivity there are so many races its hard to say what you mean.

I mean what race is Maven? would he qualify as a black man?

{Ed007's Note - Maven is also mixed race, his father is African-American and his mother was was white.}

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So to go back to the original question its time to make Mark Henry, R-Truth, Kofi, or Big E WWE champion, or find ourselves another proper black wrestler.

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25 Jul 2014 00:59:22
does anyone watch darts?
I think the set-up they have would work perfectly as a wrestling set-up, replace the dartboard with a ring, darts pundits for wrestling legends, have the match then give them an interview for the winner afterwards, and let the wrestlers be themselves, let them design their own ring gear, let them get their own music, let them prove their worth.
and most importantly show starts presenter gives a run down of the matches, pundits give opinions on the matches, video package of the first match, first match, pundits opinion on match, interview with winner, pundits opinion on interview/ next match, video package of next match, next match and so on and so forth.
I think this would work well and eventually you could invite a main-eventer into the booth looking over the ring and a pundit/ legend says he was not impressed and the main eventer can proceed to fight him setting up a match. etc.

JEPW

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25 Jul 2014 07:02:14
I agree JEPW I watch darts frequently wouldn't mind walk on girls aswell. Quick question JEPW which darts player do you think would be good in the ring for me it would have to be Stephen bunting I honestly wouldn't mess with him.

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Massive darts fan myself, Paul Nicholson would make a good heal he's also a massive cm punk fan and actually did his own version of punks pipe bomb on phil tailor, would also think mvg could be a vader type guy,

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25 Jul 2014 12:58:44
Yes Nicholson is a huge punk fan he sometimes did it's clobbering time and the pipe bomb was great

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Well if are talking about people you do not want to mess with it must be BDO's Robbie "kong" Green and eric Bristow would make a good manager.
but the question I want to know is do you think the PDC darts set-up and format would work in a wrestling context because I think it would work really well.

JEPW

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If your talking about BDO Bobby George would make a great manager.

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24 Jul 2014 20:20:07
According to some reports sting has made a surprise appearance at the San Diego comic con alongside hogan, Bryan and heyman do you think this could be working up to an appearance on a raw or a Ppv in the near future

Call

{Ed008's Note - No it's to hype WWE 2K15

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24 Jul 2014 20:42:21
I thought it would be to do with wwe 2k15 I just wanted to tease it a little

Call

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I read that he was promoting the first WWE Sting toy with Mattel.

But mentioned he'd love to wrestle for the WWE at least once.

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25 Jul 2014 14:40:47
I have heard that it has been confirmed that Sting will appear in relation to his new toy.

Still no word on an actual in ring appearance. But he really needs to.

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The Stinger toy - let's hope Anne Summers don't stock it

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24 Jul 2014 16:21:36
Who has seen this tweet by wwe saying he walks in darkness

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It was an advert for a WWE.com article in the end.

Something daft about concept art.

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24 Jul 2014 16:09:17
What's all this #WWETransformed talk about?

TheGreatOne

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It was a concept art article on the WWE website, about the potential for guys hamming up their trunks and boots to be extensions of their nicknames.

EG Dolf Ziggler, dressed as Hugh Heffner.

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24 Jul 2014 13:54:27
bigbear you have to go and see the new cena movies because apparently according to these wrestling news sites if they are a success he will stop wrestling and move to Hollywood.

JEPW

{Ed007's Note - I think that could be worth all of us going to see it at least twice!}

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24 Jul 2014 16:00:04
I will go and see it a couple of times and then buy the movie on blu ray and DVD for everyone in my family

Call

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I've got my tickets booked I know that much.

JEPW

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I make the whole of essex see it then lol

stephen b

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I have no intention of watching it, buy I will happily buy a dozen tickets if it means he leaves. Hang on didn't he critisize the Rock for doing the same thing

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24 Jul 2014 23:41:59
I'd love to buy tickets but unfortunately they don't sell them for straight to dvd crap.

Woody101

{Ed007's Note - Do you not buy Christmas presents for people? I know what my mam's getting now.}

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The only Cena movie I have seen was the original marine and it was average at best.

I struggle to see wrestlers out of their gimmicks in movies, even the Rock grabs me as the Rock in most of his films, he is just very entertaining in that role.

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