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25 Apr 2014 05:00:07
PRF for this week!
Big E Langston
Ryback
Sheamus
Remember to say how you would PUSH them, what gimmivk would you REPACKAGE them with and why you would FIRE them.

ED008

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I would Push Ryback - he had some good momentum before being fed to Cena and has a lot more going for him than Big E in my opinion, showed he can come across well on the mic this week while on commentary as well.

Repackage Sheamus - I would play up to his Irish roots and make him a dissident freedom fighter type heel. Came out in balaclava and start a feud with Bad News Barrett

Sack Big E. Nothing against him but I personally prefer the other two and think they could be a bigger asset if pushed correctly

mickrude

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24 Apr 2014 12:43:08
Why did Randy use his old theme at mania? (the beginning)

did anyone else hear it?

JK92

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Hi guys I just wanted to really vent my anger over the streak ending at mania, now before I do I just want to say I am a huge wrestling fan but i'm not one to come on here and argue that my opnion is right an everyone else is wrong as everyone is entitled to their own view. But. Is anyone else pissed off that the streak ended to brock lesnar? He is someone who shows up every now and then performs. If the streak was meant to end then fine but surely let an upcoming star or even someone who has been with the company for years break this? Taking nothing away from lesnar he is good but am I right in thinking he was the wrong man to break the streak? Sorry for the rant guys just wanted everyone elses view on this? {Ed007's Note - Can you please register as a user or at least tag your posts, cheers.}

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But Taker is a part timer, in fact taker wrestles less than Brock does. Lesnar is beast and was by farthe beat candidate to end the streak.

BigBear

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24 Apr 2014 08:35:08
there is a bit of a talk on some sites saying wwe might host wargames match between possibly shield vs wyatts or shield vs evolution. can someone tell what a wargames match is anyway this is the link that found

www.wrestlezone.com/news/471409-update-on-possible-war-games-match-in-wwe-former-spirit-squad-member-works-dark-match

call {Ed007's Note - WarGames matches are two rings surrounded by one steel cage (with a roof) with two/three teams up against each other.}

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23 Apr 2014 22:18:46
Sheamus will turn heel soon

Jasper

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Is this on the same raw that punk returned?

Green lantern

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23 Apr 2014 20:59:26
All this talk or roman reigns going solo sounds great, but they will have to do some work with his look, music and catchphrases.

He needs to be in look pants like triple h when he literally just joined the cooperation. Dark colours too. All these wrestlers in why fronts is silly now! The miz, even Jericho!

He has got to have some epic music too!

What do you all think?

Razor

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I would be more than happy if the shield break up completely just let reigns keep the shield music and just remove the sierra hotel indigo echo Lima delta bit. Would also not mind him keeping the shield gear and just losing the vest bit. The entrance has to stay with one of them as it is cool when they come from the crowd but I hunk that would suit Ambrose more if he continues down the route of psychopath.

BigBear

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No let them get established as faces so when they break up it means more and the impact will be greater for the 3 when they break up.

JEPW

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23 Apr 2014 19:25:16
I like Jack Swagger and would like to see him feud with Rusev. Think its an angle that could allow Swagger and Colter to turn face as it'd be very difficult to just forget the racist stuff without playing on the Russian/USSR think that Rusev has going.

Love Colter on the mic and love the ravishing russian so perfect

spoc

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23 Apr 2014 18:33:17
Ok so what current two wrestlers would you like to put in a tag team and why? Also what wood you call them?

I would like to see Sheamus and Brock just to add some brute strength to the division, I would call them THE SHOCK!

Kro83

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I would like to see ziggler and the big show together and call them the zigshow

stephen b

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How am I getting 6 disagrees to my amazing team#maybenotmybestidea



Kro83

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Not a tag team but a stable:

Cena
Umaga
New age outlaws
Tensai
Sheamus

Guess what they'd be called

mickrude

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I'll guess when I c u next Tuesday lol

Kro83

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My team is better lol

stephen b

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23 Apr 2014 11:14:39
I don't like seeing any WWE superstar get injured but I really do feel WWE would be better off if Cena got injured for a few months.
He is poor at everything he does, can't sell a promo, can't put anyone over cleanly and his smug face needs a huge F5 and a smackdown laid upon it.

Rated RKO

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A few months ain't long enough, needs to be gone for good.

Woody

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23 Apr 2014 00:47:38
i want to start a different argument.
Who is the best BOOKER, not writer, booker.
for me it was Jerry Jarrett he and bill watts. and I will tell you why.
throughout the 80's with vince and wcw both expanding and taking over the USA with their territories, only 2 survived. bill watts, when wwe came into his territory, was never beaten his promotion was never put out of business by WWE he was put out of business by the oil crisis in the southern USA.
however he was put out of business. Jerry Jarrett, throughout all of this still kept his business. He too survived, he gets the leap on bill because he has never been in charge of a wrestling promotion that was losing money.
Also a testament to Jerry and bill. Vince brought them both in, bill first then jerry, to take over from him when he thought he was going to jail. so Jerry and Bill get my vote as best Booker.
Whats yours?

JEPW

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Paul Heyman, he could start up ECW tomorrow and fill an arena with fans.

BigBear

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Bigbear you missed off:
if it was in a philly bingo hall.

JEPW

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Agree heyman is brill

Illbill

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Heyman hands down

Kro83

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Heyman is likely the best around today if he'd been given creative control of TNA things would have been interesting.
All time only going by what I've read and see in interviews Super Star Billy Graham

Jim

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JEPW I would take that bingo hall full of ECW fans over 15 thousand WWE fans any day. At ECW events every crowd was like post Wrestlemania RAW.

BigBear

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Just 14, 500 people less in the audience.

JEPW

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Little quote from a wrestling news site.
"Heyman noted that when they filed for bankruptcy, the total debt of the company was $7 million. "
you can't be that good and lose that much money, cornette did not lose that at SMW, jerry Jarrett did not lose that at Memphis and bill watts did not lose that at UWF.

JEPW

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Heyman has a amazing wrestling mind but not a good business mind. Heyman is still a great booker and would do a better job than anyone around today

Jim

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If his wrestling mind was so great why did he desensitize fans to violence.
never can we go "oh my god he is going to break his leg with a figure four leg lock"
no he is not we just saw someone get up after 10 seconds from being put through a flaming table.
yeah fantastic wrestling mind (!)

JEPW

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JEPW have you finally lost the plot? Fans are desensitised to violence are they? Is that why the fans chant holy sh*t for someone doing a suicide dive. Even if Heyman didn't do what you accuse him of doing by now everyone knows that wrestling is a performance and not a real fight so it doesn't really matter.

BigBear

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22 Apr 2014 23:53:49
Well WWE's run of good shows lasted about a week tops and we are now back to just boring stuff. I am thankful for TiVo or else I would never be able to watch RAW again. Remember when I said Daniel Bryan was going to be a mid card champion like Punk was? Well I am gearing up to say "I told you so".

Shield vs Evolution is good for me that is pretty much it in terms of current storylines. I am glad Paige is on the main roster now and featuring a good bit but I will hold back excitement until I see where they go with it.

Cesaro vs Swagless is rubbish for me because Swagless is boring and couldn't lace Cesaros boots.

IC title thing is ruined now for me now that Cesaro is out, RVD is not winning it and I don't like Barrett at this point.

Bryan vs Kane is stupid and makes no sense as only last week he was wearing a suit and all of a sudden this week he is a monster again for the 1000th time so the mystique is completely gone and Bryan is going to get the CM Punk treatment.

Bray Wyatt vs Cena is garbage because Cena is terrible at everything he does (except fondling Vince apparently). He can't build a match to save himself. I like Bray the guy is on his game with everything he does but he is about to get Cenafied.

Tag team belts makes little sense as Rybotchel were jobbing for so long and now all of a sudden are a credible threat Nahh not for me, on a positive note Rybotch is better on commentary than the other 3 persons.

After writing all this I realise that I am a tool for actually watching this stuff, I already knew I wasn't ordering ER but I really need to think about whether or not to stop RAW from being taped on my TiVo. Raw this week rating is 1. 5/10.

BigBear

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Cesaro and Swagger must finish their rivalry, they are not going to just forget about it and move on.

Barrett has been great these past few weeks and looks really into his new gimmick as do the crowd and I hope he will win the lot, Cesaro is higher than the IC title IMO. That match vs Sheamus was very good.

Kane is just a filler for now as they concentrate on Shield vs Evolution, who should go for the title? It makes sense that with all the build it's Kane who goes after it.

I agree that Cena is ruining this feud, poor Bray is doing a brilliant job at keeping the fans interested but then Cena goes and cuts a crap promo, when he was in Bray's arms at the end of Raw I was shocked he didn't get up and AA all 3 Wyatt members.

Also, Ambrose on the mic this week was brilliant. He just sold it perfectly, (were you watching Cena?) Rollins surprised me too and cut a good promo.

Ed023

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Anyone else see a potential RVD and Cesaro feud, I think it could work and would push cesaro further

RVD1997

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Im a huge RVD fan but from what I've seen lately, he can't hang with Cesaro. Hopefully its just abit of rust & he gets in the groove again over the next few weeks.

Woody

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I agree that Barrett has got to win the IC title. A feud with Sheamus to follow - they are already selling disagreements between the pair of them on twitter.
Bryan is losing the image he took so long to build up, that of being over the edge and a bit different. Now he is an 'I told you so' face and nobody believes this winning against the odds stuff. I have never been able to get the Bryan thing.
As for RVD, again I do not see the point. I just looks like one last huraah for him and I cannot see where he will go. A feud with Del Rio is pointless. Like Christian, I think he will just slowly fade away.
Can't see Reigns going solo any time soon, his mike skills just aren't up to it, unlike Ambrose and Rollins. The Shield just compliment each other and I can see ( and I hope) that the Evolution/Shield feud lasts a while.

COYS

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22 Apr 2014 22:32:28
If you had start a promotion money was no object and everyone wanted to join who would you hire to be:
Head booker
Play by play
Colour
Top babyface
Top heel
And interviewer
And they can all be in their prime.

JEPW

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Booker: Heyman
Commentators: JR and Heyman
Heel: Rock
Face: Austin
Interviewer: Trish Stratus just because she is fine as hell. Probably can't interview to save herself but I ain't caring.

I will do one with the talent that is available right now in wrestling.

Booker: Heyman
Commentators: Regal and Heyman
Top Heel: Brock Lesnar
Top Face: CM Punk
Interviewer: Pfft I don't know. A topless Stephanie McMahon?

BigBear

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T.


Awful booker joke sorry.

Regal as booker
JR play by play
Heynan on colour
Kurt Angle top babyface (american hero style)
CM Punk top heel

Interviewer. Roddy Piper (something different)


I know I've left out scsa, jericho, the rock etc but I wanted something a bit different otherwise itd be WWE attitude era haha

spoc

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I will do my own
head booker: Jerry Jarrett
Play by Play: Gordon Solie
Colour: Bob Caudle
Top babyface: ricky steamboat
Top Heel: ric flair
interviewer: jim cornette

Pipers a good shout though.

JEPW

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Head booker - Heyman
Play by play - JR
Colour - Bobby Heenan
Top baby face - Austin
Top heel - Undertaker
And interviewer - Mean Gene

mickrude

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Booker heyman play by play jr baby face cisaro heel kurt angle interviewer cm punk as he is great with a mic

stephen b

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What does colour bit mean I've watched wrestling since I was 4 i'm 29 now but don't know much bout back staff and stuff {Ed007's Note - The colour commentator is usually, but not always, a heel sympathiser and adds a bit of humour into the play by play announcing of the the commentator. Bobby Heenan in the 90s or Lawler when JR was in the WWE are good examples of colour commentators.}

stephen b

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Head booker - Paul Heyman

Play by play - JR

Colour - Lawler (Attitude Era)

Top babyface - Stone Cold

Top heel - Triple H

And interviewer - Jonathan Coachman

Ed023

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Head booker - Paul Heyman
Play by play - Good Ol' JR
Colour - Jesse Ventura
Top Face - Austin
Top Heel - Kurt Angle
Interviewer - Lana (dont care what language)

Woody

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Ok thanks ed i'd have tazz then as colour or regal

stephen b

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Ok so mine are

Booker- Heyman
Play by Play- JR
Colour- Heenan
Face- Bret Hart
Heel- Punk or Lesnar
Interviewer- Shaun Mooney lol seriously though probably Piper

Popa-Lazarou

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Booker: heyman
Play by play:Jr
Colour: Heenan
Top face: an unchained PAC (Adrian Neville. thinking out the box)
Top heel: cm punk
Interview Jonathan coachman

Green lantern

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22 Apr 2014 14:51:23
Id like your guys opinion on this but this is the opportune time for Ambrose to drop the title.

Have Triple H make a raw match similar to the shields 11 on 3 match but with Ambrose defending his title in like a 7 or 8 way match and have him drop the title.

If he doesn't lose it very soon then the chances in the future to drop it will be limited and he needs to lose it and this would be the only half decent way for him to drop the title still look good and add napalm to the fire of the shield v evolution feud!

Thoughts Guys? Jack

{Ed008's Note - Give it to Jack Swagger he is the REAL AMERICAN!

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Agree with Ed. Jack Swagger is the obvious choice and then a feud with Cesaro. Builds Cesaro up at the right speed.

COYS

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Cesaro should be hovering around the wwe title picture already.

BigBear

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Swagger for the title!

spoc

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I think Ambrose should be stripped of it by HHH and then have a battle royle or something with it up for grabs and have a debuting Bo Dallas win it.

I'm not high on Dallas but it obviously looks like he will be pushed.

Ed023

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21 Apr 2014 13:31:50
I don't care who says what it is not evolution without ric flair.

JEPW

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I think we could see his return to join up shortly

Ryan!!!!

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Its not techically Evolution because they have nobody that represents the future which is what it stood for back in the day. Back then you had past/present/future in Flair/hhh/Orton with Batista as some muscle. Now HHH is the past with Orton as the present. They need some new blood that will represent the future & I got to feeling if it happens then it might be Bo Dallas.

Woody

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Cesaro would be a better option imo but think they will just leave it as it is
Gordy

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They should be renamed 'evolved' or get some young blood in the ranks. Allegedly Batista is going on a break after ER, so that could be the chance to blood a young wrestler in his place! Maybe 2? Have flair turn up at ER or the raw after with 2 young guys, filling in for Dave.

Yesx3

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What if Reigns turns on Shield at ER and loins Evolution to be the future in Evolution?

MJey

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It is evolution as the wwe is evolving to the reality era we had evolution back when it was evolving to the pg era

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I said last week that any member of the Shield that truns on his partners to become the youth of Evolution would be instantly a top tier heel.

Bessex

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Never like ric flair, hate his woo chant lol

Gobblypiddlywoo

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Personally, if a member of the Shield was going to turn and join Evolution, it would have to be Dean Ambrose. His character is perfect for an unstable heel guided by the likes of HHH and Orton. Reigns is bing groomed as the next big face of the company so can't see it being him!

Aquelious

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20 Apr 2014 23:35:45
My CM Punk Returns Scenario (IF)
Cesaro has been on a winning streak. Paul Heyman has been eating it up. No one can stop the King of Swing. Paul Heyman promos for him every time he is going to enter the arena. Paul Heyman says that he is one of the greatest Paul Heyman guys that ever lived. He says that no one will be able to stop him from obtaining championship gold.
Cesaro and Heyman wait for his next opponent when AJs music comes on. She had left having losing the Diva's title and had returned at a strange time. She skips to the ring and circles the ring 7 times. She skips away and leaves randomly before the opponents comes out. AJ is crazy so they shrug it off.
The next week she appears again the same way and skips around the ring 6 times with a subtle change to her shoes.
Next week, she skips 5 times. Her shorts have changed.
Next week the titantron statics like CM Punk before Ajs music comes on again and she skips 4 times but there is a big difference. Her shirt is now the old CM Punk shirt she used to wear and now Paul Heyman looks like he has diarea. He convinces himself otherwise.
She does it 2 more weeks in a row while Heyman yells at her to stop playing games. The crowd chants for Punk on the last 3 weeks.
On the last week she comes by and skips around the ring once before leaving but nothing happens. Paul laughs at the audience for giving their hopes up. AJ comes back out without music.
AJ: Hey Paul!
Paul: What is it you lunatic?
AJ: What time is it?
Paul:*looks at his watch* No. No!
AJ: It's clobbering time!
CM Punk's music hits and CM Punk returns with his newly wedded wife.
CM Punk vs Cesaro, Raw.

Jimm8

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Most controversial post ever

RVD1997

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Just to clarify I am not hating on the post but I am wondering what is controversial about it?

BigBear

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At the moment it has 9 agrees and 10 disagrees, that seems somewhat controversial to me. {Ed008's Note - It's beyond stupidity that no-one has added to this post yet disagreed and agreed this is why it must go registered posters sooner rather then later..

RVD1997

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To be fair its not a bad idea. If anything I would keep the actual match for a PPV rather than a raw episode but would certainly be a good build up for a Punk return

mickrude

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I agree ed although personally I don't think I have anything to add, I thought it was a decent idea but I don't think it would ever happen

RVD1997

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I would love to see them do the thing they done when Taker returned after the Punk and Hardy ladder match.

Have HHH beat the hell out of someone pedigree them leaving them lying face down in the ring. Then the lights go out long enough for the switch. They come back on and HHH is looking about waiting for someone to attack him, he realises there is no one there and starts acting smug and says 1 more time, he gets the dude up into pedigree position but before he can hook the arms is hoisted up and hit with a GTS HHH rolls out the ring and Punk leads CM Punk chants, his music hits then fade to black.

BigBear

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That undertaker return was brilliant but I think it best suits the undertaker rather than have cm punk lying hidden on the mat. I do want cm punk to return but I'm not sure of the best way to do it

RVD1997

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20 Apr 2014 13:02:37
Been playing wwe 2k14! Doing the wrestlemania story is awesome, brings back awesome memories!

Now I can't help but think we need a big daddy cool diesel in these modern times. Could be an upper card body guard type. Like a rising star when HBK was at that place.

What's your thoughts?

Razor

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That's what I thought reigns would be for orton until his face turn

Call

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There was a little while where Mason Ryan was working as Dolf Ziggler's body guard at live events until Ziggler turned face.

When the role appeared on tv it was Big E.

Bessex

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20 Apr 2014 00:01:06
Main event -

Stone Cold vs Hulk Hogan

Dream match -

The Undertaker vs Sting

Gimmick match -

Kane vs Abyss

Money in the bank -

Jeff Hardy vs Matt Hardy vs Kofi Kingston vs Christopher Daniels vs Eddie gurerro vs Daniel Bryan

Intercontinental match -

Razor Ramon vs Mr. Perfect

Four corner match (fatal four way)

Chris Jericho vs Christian vs Chris Benoit vs Edge

Big man match

Andre the giant vs Big Show

Submission match

Bret hart vs Kurt angle

Tag team championship

Brothers of destruction vs legion of doom

Princey

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19 Apr 2014 21:52:38
Came up with this for a bit of fun.

What superstars would you all put where to make up a WrestleMania card consisting of the following matches? Everyone counts, all in their prime and can include those who are dead. Matches can contain as many superstars as possible unless stated in the match type. Give it a go, should be some interesting match-ups!


Main Event: WWE Championship Match
- vs -

Dream Match
- vs -

Gimmick Match
- vs -

Money in the Bank Ladder Match
- vs - vs - vs - vs - vs -

Intercontinental Title Match
- vs -

Four Corner Stables Match
- vs - vs - vs -

Big Man Match
- vs -

Submission Match
- vs -

Tag Team Championship Match
- vs - vs -

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Tag team
Midnight express vs rock and roll express
Submission/ I quit match
Bret hart vs Shawn michaels
Big man match
Andre vs big show
Intercontinental
Mr perfect vs Kerry von erich
Money in the bank
All the top wcw luchadors in 1994
Gimmick match
Jim cornette vs paul heyman
Dream match
Flair vs hogan in their prime
Wwe championship
Stone cold vs the rock.

JEPW

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Also undertaker vs sting in their prime.

JEPW

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Undertaker vs bray Wyatt

Hogan vs stone cold

Doink the clown vs Eugene

Shawn michaels vs Brett hart vs randy savage vs superfly vs jeff hardy vs rvd

Razor Ramon vs British bulldog

The ultimate warrior vs the rock vs the undertaker vs John cena

Andre the giant vs Yokozuna

Kurt angle vs ken shamrock

The rockers vs the hardy boys

Kro83

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Main Event: WWE Championship
Shawn Michaels vs The Rock

Dream Match: Generations Collide
Stone Cold Steve Austin vs John Cena

Gimmick Match: Hell in a Cell
Kane vs The Undertaker

Money in the Bank Ladder Match
Benoit vs CM Punk vs Eddie vs Jericho vs Mysterio vs RVD

Intercontinental Title Match
Kurt Angle vs Owen Hart

Four Corner Stables Match
Evolution vs NWO vs Shield vs Wyatts

Big Man Match
Brock Lesnar vs Ultimate Warrior

Submission Match
Daniel Bryan vs Bret Hart

Tag Team Championships: TLC
Dudleys vs Edge & Christian vs Hardyz

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Ok so here are mine, tried to think of matches that I wanted but never happened or couldn't happen due to eras ect.

Tag Team-
British Bulldogs vs Dudley Boys

Submission Match-
Benoit vs Bob Backlund

Big Man Match-
Yokozuna vs Andre (70's andre who did drop kicks)

Stables Match-
4 Horsemen vs Hart Foundation vs DX vs The Fabulous Freebirds

IC title
Macho Man vs Shawn Michaels

MITB
Superfly vs Edge vs Jake the Snake (love to see his psychology in this match type) vs Jericho vs Steamboat vs Owen Hart

Gimmick Match-
Undertaker vs Bruiser Brody (Hell in a Cell)

Dream Match
Sting (pre Crow Sting) vs Hogan (80's Hogan) ( I have always thought that if Sting joined WWF along with Warrior he could have been bigger than Hogan)

Main Event-
Bret Hart vs Kurt Angle 1hr Iron Man Match

Wanted to put Punk in as he is my favourite of the modern era but couldn't see where

Popa-Lazarou

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Main Event: WWE Championship Match
HBK - vs - HHH (one more time)

Dream Match
Hogan (1991) - vs - Ric Flair (1985)

Gimmick Match
Mankind - vs - New Jack (Hell In a Cell)

Money in the Bank Ladder Match
RVD vs Jeff Hardy vs CM Punk vs Eddie vs Bryan Pillman vs Owen Hart

Intercontinental Title Match
Mr Perfect (90's) - vs - Chris Beniot (2002)

Four Corner Stables Match
NWO (original) vs Horseman (late 90's) vs Corperation vs Nation of Domination (Blacker version)

Big Man Match
Undertaker vs Andre

Submission Match
Regal vs Bryan

Tag Team Championship Match
Dudleys vs The Rockers vs LOD

I'm sure if I thought for another 15 and did it again it would all be different. lol.

Bessex

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Main Event: WWE Championship Match
Undertaker Vs Austin (can't believe this match never happened at Wrestlemania in their heyday)

Dream Match
Macho Man Vs The Rock

Gimmick Match
Hogan Vs Cena (Generation Match)

Money in the Bank Ladder Match
CM Punk vs Shawn Michaels vs British Bulldog vs Owen Hart vs Bryan Daniel vs Kane

Intercontinental Title Match
Mr Perfect vs Ultimate Warrior

Four Corner Stables Match
Heenan Family vs Ministry of Darkness vs Corporation vs DX

Big Man Match
Andre & Yokozuna vs Natural Disasters (i've made it a tag match)

Submission Match
Bret Hart vs Sting (Sharpshooter/Scorpion Death Lock match)

Tag Team Championship Match
LOD vs Demolition vs Dudleys

mickrude

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19 Apr 2014 15:02:28
http://youtu.be/2OS9wZGb_3g

Punks shoot. 2011 = predicted that Vince's personic daughter and doofus son in law would be in charge

Exactly right CM Punk.

God I hope he returns soon lol

Aron

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Wow, you're right. Who else could have possibly seen that one coming! Well done, Phil. {Ed007's Note - You do know that was a worked shoot, don't you?}

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Yes Ed007, I was being sarcastic toward the OP. Most know it was a worked shoot, but regardless, everyone knew Stephanie and Triple H would be taking over. So he never told us anything we didn't know, shoot or not. {Ed007's Note - I was meaning it towards the OP. I thought I would tell him rather than trying to be a smart ar$e about it.}

AS57

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Oh that's a little awkward then.

I guess it was all the fanboys going in saying it was made up on spot, cheers for telling me ed

Aron {Ed007's Note - No worries Albo, a lot of people still think it was a shoot and a lot of people still argue that it was.}

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Lol fair enough Ed007, no harm intended just a bit of banter :-)

AS57

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Haha cheers ed, I always thought it was rehearsed but then people discussed it on here and apparently it was made on the spot, thought that ever since

Cheers

Aron

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19 Apr 2014 13:50:25
Hi guys was wondering who you would like to see ic champ I love this tournament for ot for me I would like to see bad news barret as i'm english and think he is a great wrestler

{Ed008's Note - Barrett or Cesaro to win but if Barrett wins they need to push him as a Champion he had some very good matches when IC Champ last time but he was fed to the Main Event talent every week to job! I'd like to see a Sheamus-Barrett feud for the IC Title but with Barrett coming out on top, I think it's too early for Cesaro to win it just yet build him up as a Heyman guy settle the feud with Swagger then move on from there has the potential to be the No1 Heel in company if done correctly both of them even..

stephen b

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Who cares? Until The WWE do something with the title Its a redundant point. If Cesaro won and unified the US Title and made it important then i'd care

Albo

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The us title is pointless ambrose never defends it!the title is a after thought he's always in tag matches so they should take it off him let someone in mid card have mite importance for a while!ambrose busy with evolution so don't see him in singles match anytime soon

Ryan!!!!

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That is your opinion I like the ic title

stephen b

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I think the Champion needs to be winning every week on tv, and moving towards a Heavywieght title shot.

Which makes Big E a perfect candidate to be built, they just need to use him better.

Bessex

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BigE is not as good as I thought he would be. Cesaro any member of the shield, Wyatt or a few guys down on NXT would be better.

BigBear

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Sammy zayne would be good bit I like Barrett

stephen b

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18 Apr 2014 13:38:01
I think this rivalry with evolution and the shield is pretty amazing but, to make it better I think both sets of teams should have a manger with them, ric flair should return to manage evolution and who would you suggest should manage the shield if they did decide to bring managers into the frame? - Princey

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Let crow sting do it. Would be something worthwhile for him to do and reignite his old rivalry with Flair

mickrude

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No great choice of managers around right now so I'd leave The Shield as they or get Dusty or Regal into manage at a push

Jim

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I think the Shield are good as they are, the old school outlaws who don't answer to anyone.

BigBear

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I'd definatly like to see Flair back in Evolutions corner but Sheild don't need anybody.

Woody

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If I was gun to head forced to choose a manager for the shield then it would need to fill this criteria:
1) anti establishment/WWE
2) well liked
3) can talk very well
4) expert in tag team wrestling
5) a well experienced manager
6) carries a racket of some sort
7) wears colourful suits
8) initials JC
9) has a podcast
10) wears a pair of glasses.
so Zeb Colter it is then.

JEPW

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Stone cold Steve Austin. Anti authority would be amazing

Tonythesaint

Tonythesaint

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It would need to make sense why the Shield were listening to them, and I don't think such a character exists at the moment.

Why would the Shield treat Stone Cold or Dusty any differently to how they treat a Kane or a HHH?

I think it would be great to see SCSA come out and say he wants to give the Shield some advice about going against authority only for him to get the triple power bomb. That's the best thing he could do for the Shield.

Bessex

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I agree Bessex, These guys don't need a manager let them grow on there own as they have done a stellar job so far. It annoys me so much that as soon as there are new guys on the scene everyone wants to start adding to them straight away. Shield are better off just as they are.

BigBear

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18 Apr 2014 12:07:44
With RAW viewing figures dropping (close to going under 4m for the first time in ages) what would you do to freshen up the show?
Personally I would split the shows even more that they are at the moment.
Raw was always at it's best with the attitude era. When Stone Cold ruled the roost the viewing figures were closse to 6m. Figures started dropping when the shows split.
I would try to regain the credibility of RAW by bringing back the attitude and having a roster to back this up - Evolution, The Shield, Lesnar, Cesaro, Barrett (without the bad news) etc with some new faces coming in from NXT. The whole point of the attitude era was there was no great baby-faced messiah type which is personified by the likes of Bryan & Cenaa now. Nobody could claim the Austin, the Rock etc were like this.
Smackdown could continue with it's PG image with Cena, Bryan, Usos, Sheamus, Mysterio etc which would allow the young viewers to enjoy the good guy v bad guy fare. Again new wrestlers could appear and develop their characters and eventually progress to the main RAW show. The younger viewers would still buy their merchandise and would hopefully progress on to the more serious stuff as they get older.
I know this won't happen, but I woul really like to see it.

COYS

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* Aim RAW at adults and have longer matches as well as less advertisements. * Split the WWE world heavyweight title back to two belts and keep the WWE title on RAW along with the IC title & tag titles.
* Make CM Punk commissioner.
* Have longer running feuds.
* Let the Wyatt's attack everybody.
* Evolution power trip.
* Take away result predictability.
* End the blood ban.
Scouse_Pride

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I would put jim cornette as head booker.
JEPW

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And prime minister, ruler of the universe, undisputed authority on everything. and probably miss world as well

mickrude

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Heyman would be better at booking.

BigBear

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No he would not. Get lost big bear. Heyman is smart just not as smart at wrestling as what cornette is.

JEPW

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Heyman is just much more creative and would be epic as not just booker but an on screen GM. JEPW what is it exactly that makes you think Cornette could take on booking of a massive show like RAW?

BigBear

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I have said numerous times if cornette was wanted he would have a job wwe wouldn't want if they did he would be there says he's retired but that would be reversed so quickly as he's skint but that's not going to happen and I would rather have paul heyman anyday over cornette just my opinion

Ryan!!!!

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The fact that he did it before as well as booking wcw, smw, helped with tna and helped with RoH. So his track record is better than Paul's. What big show has heyman ever booked? What smackdown because that is not a big show.

JEPW

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He would never return because he hates hhh and vince for lying to him and more importantly. He hates flying.

JEPW

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Paul Heyman like it or not was the guy that basically came up with what is considered by most the best period for wrestling, the attitude era. All the edgy stuff and whatnot the WWE fans loved WWE took that from ECW because it worked. Heyman also tried to compete with WCW and WWE and had input up with them constantly signing his talent and I say this everytime we have this conversation Heyman created something that to this day still gets chanted and you can guarantee if WWE started ECW up again, gave Heyman full booking control and scrapped the PG stuff he would rival RAW for ratings, I truly believe that because right now I go back and forth on whether I watch TAW because I don't like my intelligence being constantly insulted and I am sure many people feel the same. If WWE had a more adult orientated manly show I would scrap RAW and just watch that. Paul Heyman is just that bit better than Cornette.

ECW! ECW! ECW! ECW! ECW!

BigBear

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Ecw was a regional promotion like it or not it wasn't that big! Financially it was one of the worst promotions ever! And the only person who deserves credit for the attitude era is vince. In fact it does not matter what style it was stone cold and the rock came into their prime at the same time attitude era or not it would have been big because of stone cold and the rock.

JEPW

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How was ECW one of the worst promotions ever? Your love for Cornette and taking everything he says as gospel is crazy. Did it go too far at times yes it did but so has every promotion at one point. In terms of wrestling some of the best matches I have seen were on ECW shows.

BigBear

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The only person that deserves credit for the attitude era Is vince? are you mad? watch the classic Heyman promo where he shoots on Vince! When Austin was poncing about with the million dollar belt the sandman was drinking beer and raising hell. Any coincidence? Three way dance matches? did you see them before in the WWF? Chairs good or for bad and tables? yeah your right Vince started all that!

Albo

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Financially it was rubbish as I said.

JEPW

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If I had to improve Raw the main change I would make is no matches for no reason.

Nobody would ever fight without a story or even a small back stage vignette to set up the match.

No more Santino vs Fandango, No more Swagger vs Ziggler, No more Kofi vs Anybody.

Every match would be set up the week before or during the early part of the show, or be either for a title or a title shot.

To much filler in the current product.

Bessex

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Well when you have 3 hours to fill you would do well to make every match mean something.

JEPW

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17 Apr 2014 20:39:56
With Adam rose's impending arrival, I will be most upset if there isn't a feud between him and fandango or 3mb

Green lantern

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I personally preferred him as Leo Kruger instead of the Adam Rose gimmick. Vince has a thing for these weird feminine gimmicks. I will keep an open mind but if this is handled anything like Fandango then I already know the outcome.

BigBear

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I hope not, if that's the case why bother? its like Xavier woods. he was in development for ages, gets called up and jobs from the off. if your calling them up do something with them!!

albo

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I liked him as Leo kreuger as well, but I kinda like Adam rose too, agree with Xavier woods it's push, but rusev and Paige have hit the ground running,
Main question, why is no getting a call up?,

Green lantern

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Ment to be bo

Green lantern

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I agree with Big Bear and others who preferred Leo Kruger. I have only seen Adam Rose twice and I preferred him the second time but I find it odd that he is getting pushed through so quickly whilst Neville and Zayn remain in NXT. The plus side is that NXT will remain high quality for the time being.

L. O. D

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The Kruger gimmick was boring. A modern day skinner that wouldn't draw flies. The Rose character is fun but once the entrance is over that's it. Poor choice of moveset and his finisher isn't believable. Another jobber I believe

Albo

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The guy can wrestle but usual WWE holding people back.

BigBear

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I liked Kruger, but the entrance and music of Rose seems over before its started.

I think he has given himself the best chance of success in the the WWE by changing.

Bessex

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17 Apr 2014 17:30:50
Would like to know what are everyones personal opinion on what a clean loss is. I hold a pretty high standard on what losing clean is to me.

1: It is hard to declare a loss clean in stipulation matches.

2: There must be none of the following: illegal blows, interference, ref bump that forces a missed tap or pin or illegal weapons.

3: In terms of psychology there must be no excuses used such as injuries or not being completely focused on the match as these are used to plant seeds of doubt into people's heads.

4: Flat out tap or take a pin and if you must speak of the match the other guy was simply just better on the night. Heels can get away with some moaning but faces not so much.

Anyone else want to give there definition of clean loss or add something I may have missed?

BigBear {Ed007's Note - A clean win/loss is simply when a match ends with a decisive victor in a manner that is within all the rules of wrestling and/or stipulations of the match.}.

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Not allowed out of ring as more damaged done outside and more running out and in ring to attack opponents

Call

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I kind of agree with you big bear, but I think that with your criteria in relation to no prior injuries etc that is very difficult to class as if you look at other sports such as football or boxing for example there is nearly always some excuse for defeat, therefore would you not class that as a clean win?

Kro83

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I try to treat wrestling differently due to it being scripted and when I talk of injuries I mean like when they start using injuries as an excuse be it either kayfabe or real. There are plenty of occasions where wrestlers have wrestled genuinely hurt and it has not been mentioned whether they have lost or won. The best example I can give right now is the Cena and Bryan match at summerslam, for weeks Cena wrestled with that ball on his elbow without it really getting a mention then as soon as he is wrestling Bryan in that main event where they knew he was losing, he has the arm strapped up, the commentators did not shut up about the arm and then the next night on RAW Cena basically said this "I am not making excuses, BUT LOOK AT MY ARM!". In terms of team sports you can maybe say a win is slightly tainted if say a star player is out or they are missing a few key players. In boxing my view is if you make the decision to go in and fight then you are well enough to fight so do not bring up any knocks you might have for example David Haye and his toe, I am a haye fan but that annoyed me.

BigBear

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Cheers for clearing that up I can see where your coming from, and for the record that David haye excuse was embarrassing! It's also like Vincent Kompany being apparently injured against Liverpool, when I watched that match on sky he was at fault for all 3 goals and the commentary team blamed it purely on him being injured.

Kro83

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I think your list is perfect for a squeaky clean loss, but using that criteria I don't think anyone has ever lost clean in the history of Wrestling.

Is it a clean win if you use a clenched fist at any point?

I generally consider a guy to have "lost" if he is pinned or submitted in a way that seemed fair.

eg, if one guy was "injured" before the match started that's bad luck, but you're suggesting that because of that there can't be a clean winner before its even started seems harsh.

Its career suicide to lose then say that other guy is better than me, the very least I would expect is a "you're lucky and I will have you next time".

Bessex

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17 Apr 2014 15:38:00
I know almost everyone wanted Bryan as champ, myself included, and I'm delighted that he is. Above all else it shows that the WWE are willing to go in a different direction, because let's be honest Bryan is not a Rock or Austin as far as megastar goes, he is not a HHH as far as look goes, he is not even on par with the other smaller guys who got runs with the title (Jericho, Angle, Rey, Eddie) when it comes to his look.

My question is, it looks like Kane may be his first challenger, so would anyone grudge Kane winning? He has never had a meaningful run with the top title, despite in terms of service, consistency, longevity etc he is third only to Taker and HHH for me.

AS57

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Can't say I would begrudge him it. It certainly wouldn't be best for business and he is so far past his best he can't even see it in the distance BUT I have also been a Taker and Kane mark so I'd cheer if he picked up the win

mickrude

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I would turn off my tv forever.

BigBear

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I am more against it than for it myself, I wouldn't be interested in a Kane title run at this moment in time. He is far past his best (which came in his first 4 years imo) but he has always been a solid performer and I do feel for him that he has never had that defining run.

Kane seems like the kind of guy who is happy to contribute by putting on solid matches and putting over young talent. By all accounts he is an intelligent guy, so will probably have a healthy bank balance from doing so. I'd imagine he earns into 7 figures per year, perhaps an Ed could confirm?

I think he will come out as a monster again, be made to look really strong in the run up to a potential title match against Bryan then Bryan will win, strengthening his run in the process.

AS57

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Anything you wouldn't turn off for big bear get a grip it's an entertainment channel ffs I'll turn off if:

Cena wins
Rock wins
Kane wins
Punk doesn't come back
Fruity pebbles stop going on sale

You must have a great number of shares in Kleenex your always needing to dry your eyes no one cares if you turn off forever one person doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things

Jamie

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You evidently care with such a heated response. Don't like my posts don't read them then it is as simple as that. I like when Rock wins, I am a fan of his also I was one of the ones that said I was happy Punk left so that is two o your points gone right there. Bye bye

BigBear

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I didn't want Bryan as champion, I didn't even want him to beat HHH. The whole underdog thing is getting very tired.
While Orton was off his game a little, he was a much better champion. {Ed007's Note - I've got to agree with you COYS, I would rather have seen HHH in and move to the Championship match and if HHH isn't winning I'll take an Orton win all day long, I just can't get into the Bryan thing at all.}

COYS

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Agree with big bear.

the kane angle shows that the wwe is back to business. they've give us the mania moment and now they will go back to burying him like the punk reign. kane is not relevant.

albo

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I am not saying I love the Daniel Bryan character or the underdog thing I just like watching the guy perform and that is more than enough for me, I also find him likeable as a person. In terms of character I much prefer Bray Wyatt but as I have always said if someone can go in and put on a quality match I don't need a character that is just a bonus.

BigBear

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I didn't really address the Kane thing. At this point the whole thing with Kane is destroyed for me. When that fire hit and he appeared you knew someone was getting choke slammed now I expect him to come down and start hugging people or giving them a performance review. How am I supposed to buy into the devils favourite demon when he has been hugging dudes and arguing in cafes. I get they need to keep his character fresh but the second you have him hugging another grown man constantly the aura if evil is peeled away. That is why I would hate for him to win the titles.

BigBear

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I respect Kane for his run but he is mid forties and has always been a limited worker. I think its sad that they are pushing him in the main event. He should revert to the original masked kane and be used for occasional ppvs to encourage people to buy them.

Albo

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As always it depends how they book it, if Kane has truly gone back to being the big red monster then he is Championship material, but I am not sure now is the time.

Bryan's story was great and everyone got what they wanted in the end, but I don't see him holding the belt and dominating WWE past Summerslam.

The chase is better than the title run.

Bessex

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17 Apr 2014 11:53:42
Hearing it on the grapevine The Ascension will be showing up on RAW very soon.

Rated RKO

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Would be Hella awesome

Green lantern

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The ascension are poor. No longevity in the gimmick, they are both mid thirties and crap on the mic. They look like jobbers with eye contacts in

Albo

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As long as they are happy as a tag team I am happy to see them.

What I hate is tag teams who's sole purpose is to promote a singles feud.

I want a proper tag team division.

Bessex

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16 Apr 2014 22:16:13
Very pi***d off with some sites reporting that taker has died totally untrue it's horrid what people put on websites don't think they would like it if I reported their hero and icon had died these trolls are totally sick persons

Call

{Ed008's Note - Which sites?

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These stories come up every year about him - a quick google search shows stories going back to Jan 2010 of hoaxes saying he has died.

The fact he goes away from the limelight make him an easy target for people to drum up stories about him.

Don't they realise he's already the dead man?!

mickrude

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Never seen that on any site but that's pure sick bad taste man

Illbill360

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Undertaker found dead

www.empiresports.co/wwe-legend-the-undertaker-found-dead-in-texas-home/

This one I think ed

Call {Ed007's Note - Read the article Call, it's obviously a fake but that doesn't excuse the pond-life who came up with, and published, the article. I actually read it the other day and never even mentioned it to Ed008.}

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Yeah have had a look at the article still horrid to say that sort off thing when I know that taker collapsed after wm and especially after warriors death last week IMO those sites should be pulled down as it still causes grief and gets people concerned as when I saw it on twitter the headline was undertaker found dead which caused me to get concerned and read the rubbish article

Call

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Poor.

Bessex

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16 Apr 2014 21:14:30
Listening to Bruce Blitz RAW review and someone brought up an excellent point, why don't WWE instead of just waiting til someone dies do a tribute show while these legends are alive and let them be there and know just how much they meant to the business. Even just do 4-5 a year that works out one every 3 months or so.

BigBear

{Ed008's Note - Good point! Like they've done Bret Hart appreciation night and Shawn Michaels aswell.. Does that count? You gotta remember that Ultimate Warrior wasn't on good terms until what January?

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Yeah basically along those lines like an appreciation/tribute night just to let these guys know that get are still appreciated and let the fans and superstars thank them for paving the way. Even just produce more of those video packages that they do and maybe honour a few people on the same night.

BigBear

{Ed008's Note - Whoever enters the Hall of Fame that year should be entitled to their own appreciation night? Preferably infront of their hometown crowd..

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Instead of annoying commercials they should show classic matches featuring legends. I know that they get their money from advertising and exploiting kids so will never happen, so how about a 1500 calorie chocolate bar advertisement for the kids instead.
Scouse_Pride

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Except Mr. T, Donald Trump etc ED008

I pity the fool that does a Mr T. appreciation night. {Ed008's Note - Yeah forget the celebrity's just the wrestlers.

mickrude

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What happened to from the vault on smackdown, I used to enjoy watching classic matches. They should stop replaying matches from Mondays Raw and start showing more classic matches. They have a seperate program now called from the vault but I've only ever seen 2 matches on it and they are both from 2011 so it's not really a past classic

RVD1997

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16 Apr 2014 20:54:15
I fear that Bryan is about to get the CM Punk treatment and become a mid card champion. I see the Evolution vs Shield match being the main event of ER.

BigBear

{Ed008's Note - To be fair Evolution vs The Shield is worthy of Main-Eventing the PPV Bryan defending his Title most likely against Kane for me should be the match before..

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I agree Shield vs Evolution is some match but I am thinking more about the overall direction the company is taking. I wonder if WWE still don't think Bryan can can be the top guy. For me with how red hot Bryan is he should be the main event of most PPV's as long as he is champion.

BigBear

{Ed008's Note - It's a similar situation to Punk with that i don't see Bryan main-eventing a PPV for at least 2-3 months if thats the case..

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No the title will always main event.

JEPW

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JEPW do you not remember Cena vs Laurinitis being in the main event? During that amazing Punk run as champ where he never main evented unless he was facing Cena or Rock.


BigBear

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On a side note I only found out that Lauronitis is the brother of Animal from L. O. D. recently

This is probably common knowledge amongst you coniseurs but made me do a double take!

mickrude

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Agree with BigBear, the thing is who can Bryan fued with we haven't seen before? short sightedness

Albo

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See that's the thing Albo, WWE have messed up so bad that they are lacking in people that can realistically walk into the title picture. Ziggler and Cesaro should both be main event by now and guys like Rhodes and Sandow should be hovering up there.

BigBear

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I think it would hurt Bryan if he had to go on with Kane to do a match we have all seen following Evolution vs The Shield.

The crowd could very well have already punched themselves out.

Bessex

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I have no aversion to Bryan and Kane opening the night if needs be. Set the tone for the rest of the card.

mickrude

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16 Apr 2014 20:16:06
Just been watching Raw and found the Warrior tribute touching. A few wrestlers really seemed upset which was nice to see. Also, for all of his many faults, HHH was actually leading the Warrior chants.

On a side note about HHH I actually think he is coming good on what he often preaches, doing what is best for business. Putting. Bryan over clean and then having Bryan win at Mania was best for business. They also seem to be pushing quite a few of the crowd favourites so here's hoping that the likes of Cesaro, BNB and D Bryan can gain great success so that other fan favourites get a push over the next year or so.

People I would like to be pushed are:

Ziggler (but I think he has burnt his bridges)
Cody Rhodes
BNB getting a full push
Usos getting pushed strong as they are entertaining

Also want The Shield, Wyatt's and Evolution to be pushed as stables looking for domination within WWE

Who do you guys think should be pushed?

TeamBringIt

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Big Bear would like Cena to have a huge push. off a cliff

{Ed008's Note - Lmao!

mickrude

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I hate how much he gets away with breaking kayfabe. Just not professional.

BigBear

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16 Apr 2014 18:21:49
I know I'm probably going to get blasted for this but why is everyone against cena u keep on going on that he didn't put over bray wyatt but then I think that's the right thing to do because if he won first time that would catapult him straight up to being like the rocks level ( as cena could not beat him first time but wyatt beat him first time. ) I think it would of been way to fast just like what happend to the miz I agree wyatt does need to win at extreme rules and it doesn't have to be clean over if he personally pins cena 1, 2, 3 then it goes down in the record books that wyatt def cena and people go on about him not putting people over well if he does that all the time people are going to have to start putting him over so he don't fall down the pecking order a lot and people will start winging again everyone looks at the bad of cena but at least he turns up every week for the past 12 yeah his in ring moves are predictable but so is randy ortons his character is not that good but nor is ortons or Batistas he would probably love playing the heel role again but he can't make that choice it is creative and it's not cena fault that kids have grown to him
Rant over

{Ed008's Note - His character is for the kids though?

Wizzle Wules

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I know but what I'm trying to say is how much of what people are wining about cena actually cena fault as I said if he was allowed to play the heel role he probably would love it everyone goes on about cena where they should be having a go at creative (Vince or hh) like they do with everything else but when it comes to cena oh no we will just put the whole blame on cena

Wizzle Wules

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I nominate this for worst post of the week for the simple fact it makes little to no sense.

BigBear

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What I'm saying everyone particularly u that blame cena for his character but he does not chose to be a heel or a face its creative who chooses that and I know his in ring matches are predictable but so is orton and is character is a bit bad but at least he's not trying to be a heel and fail at it big time (orton )

Wizzle Wules

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Anyone who has been on top for as long as Cena has been definitely has a good bit of character control. HE chose to bury Nexus and Wade Barrett so how many more times do you think he has done something like that?

Yes Orton is stale right now but I have also witnessed him lose cleanly many times where Cena has not lost a match without an excuse since Batista about 4 years ago. There is no defending him and I get that he sells to kids but there is no need for him to essentially never lose a match without an excuse. Your argument about Bray not beating him first time also makes no sense because if we are going to go by that then Cena will never lose another match ever again if it is the first time he is facing that competitor. Every superstar before Cena done the right thing and passed the ball on to the next guy to run with it but he has just buried everyone and is definitely the worst face of a wrestling company of all time.

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What I'm tying to say is if bray def him on the big stage that would move him so far up the wwe that it might of been too quick and then they won't know what to do with him because they moved him up that fast and no one want him to fall down a lot examples are miz and ryback so yes he does have to win at ER
And I'm not a cena fan by any means any one he goes against I cheer for them I just think what u and other people blame him for is not solely his fault

Wizzle Wules

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Cena has a say behind the scenes, it's him along with creative who decide if he is going to put someone over or not. I feel Cena has more say behind the scenes than we realise.
End of the day Cena is a complete tosspot and WWE was better off when he was out injured.

Rated RKO

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Cena is so insecure it is unbelievable, he knows he is garbage and that is why he does not want anyone getting a sniff. Look at Jericho for example he openly stated that he likes putting guys over if he sees something in them whereas that muppet just wants to bury everyone. I constantly go back to this but listen to Jericho and Edge talking about how they wanted nexus and Barrett to go over but Cena wanted his way they old him he was wrong but he did it anyway and buried Nexus. The clip is on YouTube if you search something like Jericho and Edge shoot on Cena.

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I remember Tensai beating Cena clean on Raw lol

Ed023

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When exactly did this match happen? I found two tensai vs Cena matches on YT, Cena won one and in the other was attacked by tensais manager, Otunga interfered twice, Tensai used the green mist and if you listen to the commentators they spend the full match talking about how Cenas head isn't in the game because of Rock, Lesnar and his world falling apart blah blah blah. So no clean losses there. Unless I have missed this match which is very possible as round about then I stopped watching RAW because it was terrible. If you could provide a video of this clean loss it would be much appreciated.

BigBear

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Green mist wasn't illegal though but it was probably a near clean loss for someone like Cena.

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2 interferences though.

BigBear

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Agree with big bear trying to think last time cena lost cleanly without any injuries or interferences can't remember but did he lose to Kane at royal rumble in 2012 or something that is the last clean lose I think happened

Call

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They both got counted out Call then Kane beat Cena up with a chair backstage the Kane took Ryder out to the ring in the wheelchair, tombstoned him Cena ran back out and Kane chokeslammed him and just left.

BigBear

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Wow thanks BigBear I didn't know about nexus and when u mentioned some of that stuff wow he is so self centered I guess kind of like his wife surprised she isn't divas champ why hasn't he suggested that to creative

Wizzle Wules

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Thanks big bear just looked that match up with the nexus they were the best thing happening at that point much like the Wyatt's are now I can see wyatt defeating cena at extreme rules via a distraction from Harper and Rowan possibly by entering the cage then next night on raw cena will do his nexus talk " one by one I will take you down" and knowing cena having a role in creative that will be the end of the Wyatt's just think from the original nexus in that 7 on 7 match really barrett is the only who getting a push ship Sheffield aka rybotch got a bit of a push. But think about the rest slater in comedy group, Gabriel jobbing on superstars, otunga haven't seen him wrestle in ages, tarver have no idea what has happened to him and young who is out for 4-6 months and still will be jobbing when he returns
He is the modern day HHH digging good superstars in to the ground once you've lost to cena you lose to everybody

Call

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From what I have heard the Bella Cena is going out with is an ego maniac as well. I heard she said in an interview that she would beat Ronda Rousey in a fight while her sister who comes across as the more humble and down to earth of the two was like hell naw I wouldn't fight her.

If you don't know who Ronda Rousey is then google her, she would destroy any WWE diva. She would probably beat me to a pulp.

BigBear

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Didn't Cena lose clean to Bryan at Summerslam 2013?

{Ed008's Note - That was never a clean loss..

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