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20 Dec 2014 12:05:37
Alright guys as I'm new to the site I don't know many of you I'd like to ask a few questions about the past & Future of Wrestling. Someone posted a link for watching PPVs on here before Hell in a Cell & there's loads of The Network shows on there so I've been watching all the Monday Night wars shows which are excellent. So the questions.

1. Has there ever been a more shocking Moment in Wrestling than Hogans Heel Turn & the Birth of Hollywood Hulk Hogan?

I cannot for the life of me think of anything that comes close apart from the streak ending & that just sucks more & more every time I think of it because Lesnars done very little since apart from Throw Cena around like a doll.

2. Could this method work with Cena bringing back the Authority?

I think a Cena heel turn is the only way to save himself with the fans. but would take far too much attention away from the rest of the Roster. He could do it for 1 year 2 max & easily transition back to a face for hopefully the end of his career it would probably only work wonders for him & the WWE not the more deserving guys on the roster so it's probably not worth it for a storyline but we're stuck with him either way for a long while so I'd like a change up with him. Plus it would bring back a strong faction like someone said the other day that's what the fans like to see strong Factions.

3. Who's the best superstar on the Roster right now & who's the greatest of all time?

For me right now it's Ziggler he doesn't even need to be the best on the mic as in ring he's unbelievable & the guy I look forward to seeing the most. With Ambrose 2nd in that respect he's must watch Mayhem. The best ever I'm dying to say Stone Cold but I think I have to go with the Undertaker the list of memorable matches that man has had goes on & on casket matches, buried alive, cage matches, hell in a cell I could go on but his feuds with Shawn Michaels threw up some of my favourite matches & moments.

4. Should Roman Reigns be the next face of the WWE & win the WWE title for the 1st time at Wrestlemania?

I think he's great In the ring but I hate the fact he's going to be in the Cena mould of getting his ass kicked for 3/4s of the match then comes back with a superman punch & a spear & wins is pretty pathetic. The Fandango match the other night made him look weak to be honest. I'd like to see him walk through everyone with a deadly submission like a Torture rack. Whether he has staying power I don't know. Personally I want to see a long Daniel Bryan championship reign with Dolph Ziggler bringing the meaning back to the Intercontinental title for a while with some of the best opponents & great matches. Then he should get another go at the big one with obvious Heel Champs in between like Seth Rollins & possibly Bray Wyatt.

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20 Dec 2014 13:33:59
Good to have a new member to the site, to answer the four questions, hogans heel turn was probably the most infamous, Rollins heel turn was huge too, also the heel turn from HHH on hbk in 2002 was also awesome. For the second question cena could potentially bring back the authority at the rumble, so he still loses to lesnar only beat lesnar up and rollins cashes in and cena poses with rollins and the authority. Best superstar currently Ziggler overall best hbk, reigns for me isn't ready give him a year, to work on mic skills mainly, give ambrose the rumble win or Ziggler win to face lesnar at wm31 or put reigns into a triple threat match for the title at wm with one of the previous names mentioned

Call

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20 Dec 2014 16:57:28
Thanks for the welcome & reply unfortunately I didn't see Rollins heel turn really as I've only been back into WWE a short time, but he as much of a weasel they try to make him look is a huge talent & great to watch in the ring. I remember HHHs heel turn like it was yesterday though & for me the Greatest Heel in Wrestling history. I like the idea of an Authority with Cena Rollins Paul Heyman HHH & Steph & possibly a strong Tag team that could have the belts maybe the Ascension. But also I could go without it ever coming back though I do feel Factions are needed & HHH is missed. I'd Ambrose as the Champ would be awesome & doing many more crazy things like the Hot Dog Cart & the Ambulance entrance it's the kind of thing Austin used to do i'd have loved to see him get a ride in on a tank at Tribute to the troops would have really made that show lol.

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20 Dec 2014 19:16:44
1. I think the streak ending was probably the most shocking. I wanted Brock to win & Brock was definitely the perfect guy to do it but I didn't think in a million years they would pull the trigger on it. My face was worse than that black guys lol.
2. I don't want Cena to turn heel, it will just constantly keep him in the main event then his eventual face turn will keep him there even longer, I just want him gone. I think a match with Seth where Seth challenges him to where if Cena loses then The Authority are reinstated is probably what will happen.
3. Right now including injuries then yeah Ziggs is doing his thing. Bray & Cesaro are my favourites tho. Cesaro would be an absolute beast if they took the shackles off him & let him use his full arsenal, has anybody ever seen the UFO.
Of all time my favourites are Stone Cold & Jericho but i'd say the best is either Bret or HBK, countless classic matches from those guys.
4. i'm not high on Reigns either but i'd take it if he knocks Cena off his perch. I'd personally love Bryan to return & win the Rumble to face Brock at mania but looks unlikely so my alternative would be Orton. I know Randy gets stale now & then but he's got the buzz & is still probably the most crisp wrestler in the business & would have a classic with Brock.

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20 Dec 2014 21:02:54
Right this is a huge long shot but how about heyman turns on lesnar at royal rumble to allow rollins to cash in, it will go down as shock, lesnar turns face and is one to beat Rusev at wm31 and leaves as a face

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Ed08{Ed008's Note - A part-timer ending yet another undefeated streak not happening.

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19 Dec 2014 02:17:45
Another great match on NXT this week, Adrian Neville v Kevin Owens.

Woody101

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Looking forward to seeing it

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19 Dec 2014 16:09:15
It's an awesome match

Call

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Steen vs Pac was always going to be awesome never any doubt

Jim

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17 Dec 2014 15:54:50
How about a little debate? The topic, should there be a massive overhaul of the WWE roster?

For me there is a lot of dead weight that beeds to either be cut completely or fixed. Like CM Punk said, does it not make more sense to make moneynwith all the guys instead of just 1 or 2. I agree that there is more talent there now but look at that TLC card and tell me that the majority of it was not poor. Imagine Neville vs Zayn, Cesaro vs Steen, Devitt vs Kenta and Charlotte vs Paige on that card instead of Show vs Rowan, Kane vs Ryback, Bella garbage and Rusev vs Swagless.

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17 Dec 2014 17:17:36
I think yes definitely NXT is awesome & the WWE for me is enjoyable but far too many Characters I just can't get over with. Big Show, Swagger, The New Day although I do like Kofi, Goldust unless he's going to start kicking people in the nuts again it's all anyone's ever watched Goldust for, Fandango, Kane, El Matadors, & the big 2 Cena & Lesnar. For the record I no longer watch TNA but seriously what the WWE could have with Guys like Airies, Styles, Roode, Storm, The Dudleys & Hardys back.

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17 Dec 2014 17:42:41
I for 1 am really bored with most of them so would welcome change and some of the present roster used better!rusev ryback big show swagger adam rose all consistently used and I have no interest in them would be happy if there where all shown the door for some new faces

Ryan!!!!

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The thing that gets to me is that some things do not even need to be changed that much to be better. Look at how over Cody and Goldust were when they were competing for their jobs and the few months after that. Then they start jobbing and Cody gets turned into an even bigger freakshow than his brother and they are still jobbing. The higgest change that is needed is the shackles they put on guys, we all know how much the Rhodes brothers can go when given freedom and time. They are just one example. There was even NXT chants on Raw lol. That show has the potential and talent to be something special but until Vince loosens the grip then it will mostly be trash witht he odd bit of quality.

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It's not so much that the current roster is useless. it is that they are so over-used. We have a relatively small roster to fill RAW, Smackdown, Main Event amd the PPVs. The same matches time and time again. Familiarity breeds contempt.
The main shows have far too many 'big men', nearly all of who have no charisma. Big lumbering matches have their place, but not 2 each show.
The main part of NXT's attraction is it's freshness.
Brighten up the roster & increase the pace of the matches and the shows would improve.

COYS

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Am I the only person who likes Jack swagger lol?

CeeXXX

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17 Dec 2014 22:20:23
I cany take take to him but there is worse than him on my despise list main 2 being ryback and big show can't stand them boring as hell

Ryan!!!!

Ed08{Ed008's Note - Agree with COYS point about the roster being small or the talent not being there to make all 4 shows feel fresh we just had New Day face Goldust & Stardust for like 4 weeks in a row whether it be in singles action or Tag Team with the same outcome.. Creative are lazy when it comes promoting a match for upcoming PPV I like the Promos for Bray Wyatt and Dean Ambrose and it works for that big fight feel but I was bored by the time New Day fought Goldust & Stardust as the outcome was obvious as their no suggestion that the Heels had even a chance of victory. I like Jack Swagger works well with Zeb Colter and has been involved in some good matches this year but creative can't get it right either when he was a tag team with Cesaro ( should have won the tag titles) or his face turn push to face Rusev. I listen to a post review show on Raw called Straight Shoot check it out https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkedbvdrme3gzvgzzFAx7qA they talk wrestling in a smart way great guests they discussed that the veterans Big Show, Kane, Mark Henry all have a role and it's to put over talent just needs to be done the right way etc I liked to see this going forward correctly.
I don't want to see all the top talent at NXT come up together, Devitt, Steen, Zayn etc it wouldn't be right just need fresh feuds, storylines to make it exciting to watch on a regular basis the best matches this year have been feuds we haven't seen before. Bray Wyatt vs Daniel Bryan, The Wyatts vs The Shield, Batista vs Orton vs Daniel Bryan, The Shield vs Evolution, Dean Ambrose vs Seth Rollins, Dolph Ziggler vs Seth Rollins, John Cena vs Seth Rollins I could go on and on.

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18 Dec 2014 11:11:31
I still think they would advantage from splitting back into 2 shows. Split the rosters evenly that way we will only see a wrestler once a week. This would also help reduce burn out of some of the stars who are travelling large amounts of miles to try and get to all of the tv tapings as well as the live shows. It also allows for the bigger guys to be spread out a bit more. As long as the push both brands evenly and don't just bury smackdown. They could also draft NXT stars up the night after Wrestlmania when they do the draft. It would be great to see the general manager of RAW and of Smackdown fighting it out over the signature of a certain NXT Star. This would also bring back the excitement of the possibility of someone jumping ship from one brnad to another.

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With the current roster, if they split the shows there will be even more repeated matches.
They need to get all the injured back fit and ensure they stay fit. Too much is being demanded of their bodies week after week. Bryan is the prime example of this. He has to put it on the line all the time. When he comes back he will not be able to wrestle like he used to.
Reigns has got injured relatively early in his career, Barrett has had numerous injuries to mention just two. I am sure if Rollins continues putting it on the line the way he is going he is also an injury waiting to happen.
This is why the Cenas, Shows, Rybacks & Kanes of this world who do not use such athletic moves are the backbone of the WWE. They can be guaranteed to be there week after week.

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I disagree COYS. Ryback and Show have both been injured this year and Cena misses every show bar Raw, most weeks because he was starting to gather injuries. Splitting the show would work. You could also begin to make smackdown matter again.

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19 Dec 2014 08:22:48
You could split the current roster and then use some of the NXT wrestlers to bulster the rosters. In time the exposure the NXT stars getting from moving up to the main roster would help them make the step up and replace aging people like the Big Show and Mark Henry.

Also bring back the Cruiserweight Title!! So many wrestlers would become relevant again. Tyson Kidd and Sin Cara would finally have something to do. You could bring up Adrian Neville, Kalisto and even Xayn could fit in.

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I firmly believe the answer is more wrestlers, not less wrestling.

Let Raw and Smackdown carry on as is but have 6 feuds going on, make them worth while, and keep all other super stars on live events.

If you need a 6 minute match to fill a segment have Ryback beat Bob Smith from the local fed, is that going to be much less entertaining than having Ryback vs Cesaro for 6 minutes with Ryback pinning another guy trying to get over clean?

Make me miss Cena, Rollins, Ambrose, Bray, Randy, and the like, while anticipating their return.

Randy for example is currently more interesting in his absence (wondering what he will do when he gets back) than he was on screen doing nothing.

Keep NXT separate and they can actually be their own competition.

I think the main roster are insulted by the hype NXT is getting and it will hopefully force them to up their game.

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19 Dec 2014 18:09:16
I think what needs to happen is more stables, but strong stables, don't want to bang on about the attitude era but a lot of the reason for success was there was a lot of strong stables, the corporation, DX, the ministry, nation of domination, the brood just of the top of my head & if you had somebody feuding with a stable it opens up more matches en route to a PPV, like when Austin or Rock was feuding with HHH or Vince then they would be facing the likes of xpac, outlaws, kane, bossman ect on a build up, only face there rival in a tag match & would only get limited time with the rival in ring in a tag match to build anticipation for the PPV, nowadays we'll see Randy Orton V Cena for 3 weeks on Raw them at the PPV, it's just lazy an lacks creativity, also I think the major benifit of stables is that you pair mid careers an low enders in with the top stars it adds depth & gives them a chance to shine & develop. Just my personal opinion but it's been proven over the years in WWE & WCW stables do enhance fueds. Also thing they need to keep stables going longer, the wyatts & shield ended far to quickly, although admittedly the shield had worked out well separate.

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16 Dec 2014 20:44:16
Just to inform all of you smackdown is on live tonight at 1am on sky sports 3

Call

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16 Dec 2014 21:28:32
That's Live Super Smackdown lol should have Big Show Reigns & something good from Wyatt & Ambrose though Smackdowns gradually getting better in my eyes.

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17 Dec 2014 07:50:39
Yet again Ziggler vs rollins was great

Call

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I missed this, taking Smackdown live and making it more of a pro wrestling show would be best for business.

Tag, Intercontinental and US title feuds highlighted. Good stuff.

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16 Dec 2014 15:46:14
In the Royal Rumble match I reckon Triple H will return and will come out whatever number he is and then the next number will be Sting, what other surprises do you all think we will have, also will they be saving Orton until the Rumble or have him return next week?

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Shelton Benjamin (just because it's an annual rumour thing)

One or both of the Dudleyz

Adrian Neville

Daniel Bryan (One can only hope!)

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I'd mark out for the Dudleys in Philly.

I suspect HHH will be in. Sting to cost him, but not actually be in it.

Batista and the Rock are still both kind of in the mix?

Tommy Dreamer will probably get in there just to promote his HOH shows.

I'd love to see some NXT talent get in, Big Cass to enter with Enzo running around the ring would be cool. After the huge amount of popularity R-Evolution got I won't be surprised to see Finn Balor be featured, though his entrance is longer than 90 seconds and would be spoiled if an Uso over took him on his way to the ring.

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I'd love to see Kevin Owens make an impact, but I think that it is more likely that Neville or both members of the Ascension appear.
Don't think that Bryan will be fit enough.
They may chose this for Barrett to make his comeback.
Surprise entrants? I can see both Dudleys and the start of a feud with the Ascension.
Winner? Reigns.

COYS

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Its in Philly so that must mean RVD is there and some ECW guys like Stevie and the Meanie.
I like to see Neville and Zayn from NXT though I think someone like Baron Corbin or Big Cass are more like due to there size

Jim

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19 Dec 2014 02:19:05
Hopefully Jake The Snake gets his dream which he was wishing for last year.

Woody101

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I'd like to see Jake the Snake get in.

It would be an amazing opportunity to test what sort of pop AJ Styles would get, knowing that he would fit perfectly in to the indy supercard they are building down in NXT.

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16 Dec 2014 14:36:52
whats your prediction for lesnar vs cena at royal rumble?

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16 Dec 2014 15:24:16
Cena, sadly I thnk

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16 Dec 2014 16:49:34
Lesnar wins goes to wrestlemania against reigns for him to win and Rollins to cash in am convinced Rollins walks oot mania with the belt

Ryan!!!!

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16 Dec 2014 18:19:36
i hope cena doesn't win. it'd be pointless as lesnar would have the rematch clause then it'll be cena vs brock all over again.
ryan I reckon your probably right with what you said.

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16 Dec 2014 20:16:05
Yes but if it's brock vs reigns at wm31 reigns will certainly go over as lesnar is expectated to leave after Wm

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These are possibly the worst scenarios I can think of but I'm trying to think like Vince, Dunn and the other 100 plus writers.

No 1:
Brock goes over at Mania with help from what looks like the newest Paul Heyman guy Rollins, next night on Raw Lesner says he's done it all and he is retiring from WWE. This then makes Heyman get Rollins to cash in with Lesner laying down for the 1, 2, 3.

No 2:
Reigns beats Lesner only for Lesner to react and beat Reigns within a pulp with help from Rollins who then cashes in his MITB on Reigns setting up a summer feud.

No 2 is better going forward because of the Summer feud but both scenarios wouldn't tickle my fancy.


I'd like a Bryan Lesner main event at Mania with Bryan going over, I'd have Rollins cash in at Extreme Rules setting up a program with Bryan and Rollins resulting in Rollins going over and in the mean time Reigns wins MITB and the super hero he is he wants to cash in at SummerSlam but not being sly like Rollins, he wants a match for it with them both being 100% where Reigns finally wins the strap.

Of course my story line all depends on Bryan being healthy but the matches he and Rollins would have would be great TV.

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I suspect Brock wins again, intrigued to see where the Heyman/Rollins relationship goes.

I'd personally love to see Rollins go to cash in and get cut off by Ambrose giving it "I said you won't be cashing in this year", to start a build toward a Shield triple threat at Mania. Brock to lose his title in the Elimination Chamber.

Ed08{Ed008's Note - Theirs no Elimination Chamber PPV this year.

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Really? That's been as big as the Rumble in recent years?

I see it as the vital other half to setting the main event.

Rumble winner vs EC winner?

I wonder what they will put on instead?

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16 Dec 2014 10:01:06
Well Raw was a joke yet again. All about protecting Cena, the main event got more than twice as much time than every other match and physical confrontation on the show combined. The main event was mediocre at best but I can already tell people will overrate it. Most of us on here could produce a better show if we were given 20 minutes to come up with it before we went live.

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16 Dec 2014 15:27:30
I reckon we could of to big bear what would you have done, though?

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16 Dec 2014 17:49:13
Wait the Main Event was mediocre? I thought that was a hell of a match for a TV show I think it was a better match then their Tables match at TLC. Rollins was amazing in everything he done such an amazing talent.

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I will give props to Rollins as he, as usual, was top notch but the second that there is a million close pinfalls people start calling it a good match. It was just another match designed to make Cena look strong and it would not be hard to top that Clusterf*ck match at TLC. Here are my stats for this show, before the main event there was 21 minutes of in ring action. That is 21 minutes after 2 and a half hours! That is complete garbage.

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16 Dec 2014 19:35:07
I quite enjoyed it not a great deal of wrestling before the main event as you said but that said we had some good Jericho Banter, Lesnar, Reigns, Cage match AA from the top ropes, 3x German suplex F5, Heyman Rollins alliance, Curb Stomp, Cena loses not all bad.

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16 Dec 2014 20:40:04
If cena involved he's never going to be happy!am not a cena fan either I fast forward when he speaks same pish different day but it could no the best raw ever he just looks for the negative cena bits!same every Tuesday zzzzz

Ryan!!!!

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16 Dec 2014 21:26:28
I'm not here to slag anyone I'm only back into WWE a few months & really enjoying it. It's certainly the best & strongest it's been for a long time. Plus there's plenty guys from NXT were all waiting to see. It's all upto the WWE Creatives they've let us down in the past but we're still glued to it to see our favourite superstars. But for me being fairly new to the WWE scene again seeing how Zigglers came along & for short how good the Wyatt family & Former Sheild members are is exciting. Especially that Dean Ambrose unreal. The sad things is the comedic state of the Tag team division give me The Hardys & Dudleys over this lot any day & the demise of someone great like Kane.

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Right Ryan you point out what about that Raw was good and I have to point out Cena as he got more time than any other wrestler put together in the ring and he still sucks and the whole thing was designed to protect him AGAIN!. Just because I am not easily pleased like a lot of you on here are the second a match has more than one false finish and is longer than 10 monutes you cry "match of the year".

Apart from Jericho, Heyman and Lesnar the show was boring as sh*t and it was capped off by the fact that it would appear that it takes 4 guys and weapons just to stop Cena winning. SAME OLD SH*T. Het some standards.

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Although I do think it was a good show i'm siding with BigBear on the fact that they try their hardest to make Cena strong.

Also I'm shocked the burial he gave Rollins in the opening promo hasn't been mentioned yet.

All that talk about the men being in the ring and go stand with the other kids, what an person! Then he walks off leaving Rollins standing there!

I read talent aren't happy with NXT being the better product and then Cena having this big meeting regarding it? Is this guy delusional? He's one of the main reasons Raw isn't a better product along with Kane, Ryback, BigSlow etc.

The days of there being a larger than life athlete shoved down our throats as a hero is long gone. This is the era for Ambrose, Bryan, Rollins, Zayn, Ziggler etc.

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I don't know why you torture yourself with it Bear?

It was an all around good show, I didn't feel like Cena was overly featured, I enjoyed the main event, I think everyone else did, at some point you will have to admit it might be you?

As far as a PG show goes that's pretty much as you get these days?

I'm not saying that's right, but when its clearly better than the previous few weeks why crap on it, just because golden boy was made to look strong again? Its almost like they were trying to promote a main event match between Cena and an unstoppable monster next month?

Also what's this fascination with timing the bell to bell time of the shows recently? Some of Raw's greatest moments have come outside of in ring content.

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Bessex I torture myself because there are parts and people I really like and my fasciantion with the time stems from listening to a BB review where he stated that there was only 25 minutes of wrestling in a 195 minute show. I am not saying it should be match after match after match but what is the point of having so many talented guys and they get 5 minutes to work a match. I am sorry but point to one but of that show that is must see TV. A whole load of talking segments is ok if it is guys like Austin and Rock doing it but the rest is just BORING.

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17 Dec 2014 14:52:19
At no point did I claim anythin was match of the year to be honest I am also getting bored with the full show I fast forward most!i actually think you make a lot of good points its just u go on n on about the cena thing we all know it nothing going to anytime soon!i also said it could be the best raw and u would still moan about the cena bits I was not claiming that was a good raw!am down to a handful of guys a watch now fast forward the rest!seems like a bit of a obsession with u now maybe just chill oot a bit its only tv mate

Ryan!!!!

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I will give credit to Cena when he does something worthy of credit. I have done it before believe it or not. Basically the whole show was poor bar one or two bits but the worst part for me by far was the lengths they go to protect Cena. People can't argue that they done it because they are building up Lesnar Vs Cena because they do this every week. I like Seth Rollins and when you see that he can't beat Cena in two 3/4 on 1 matches it takes away from him, same as it did Wyatt. My problem is that this shows yet again that the Cena ceiling still exists and none of the new blood is crashing through it while Vince is in charge.

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17 Dec 2014 21:22:48
You got to remember we were coming off a pretty hardcore PPV in TLC a lot of bumps were taken you could argue the majority of the roster were struggling with knocks etc and maybe it was a creative decision to have less wrestling and that's why Cena vs Rollins was what 20-25 mins because they were fine to go the next night.

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I thought it was a PPV quality main event.

Sold Cena as being the tough mother he is supposed to be (like it or not)

Sold Rollins as a talented wrestler, and more importantly as a proper heel, cheating, taking advantage, unbearably smug about winning on his own, his delusion about how he is the one being held down is class.

Lesnar came back to sell what a bad ass he is, not that it needs selling, but a timely reminder.

Heyman comes off as a slimy double crosser, and sets an interest in what he is going to do with Rollins.

The bad guy gets boo'd out because he turned over the golden boy with lots of help?

It really is perfectly acceptable pro wrestling.

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16 Dec 2014 07:32:28
Something just hit me. How the hell did Jericho win extreme moment of the year and Rollins didn't. Rollins jump from that balcony made Jerichos look like a jump from the middle turnbuckle.

RealBigBear

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16 Dec 2014 23:20:42
That won something, the defying gravity award or something stupid like that. Rollins also crossbodied Reigns from the top of that exact cage later that night after Jericho did his.

Woody101

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It may have just been the impact on Jericho's, it looked like they hit too hard.

Also it might just be that the vast majority of people who downloaded the app to vote were watching it kayfabe and wouldn't vote for the heel?

Certainly looking at them objectively Rollins was a higher risk.

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15 Dec 2014 20:53:08
So if you could see any rivalry just now from current toster what would it be?

For me I would Love to see orton vs lesnar

CeeXXX

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Back to Rollins & Ambrose

COYS

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16 Dec 2014 09:26:00
Ambrose vs Orton

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I would have. 'kingsmill v warburtons' from the 'toster' ;-)

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I'd love to se the 3 Shield guys get themselves in to a genuine three way feud. Rollins heel, Reigns face, Ambrose attacking everybody "Stone Cold Style".

I was also very excited by the prospect of a Bray vs Taker feud.

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15 Dec 2014 18:51:05
After last nights return from reigns to save cena, could it set up reigns/cena at wm31, or tonight lesnar returns and rollins cashes in on him

Call

Ed08{Ed008's Note - Why would they have Rollins cash in on Lesnar when their already advertising Lesnar vs Cena The Final Battle at Royal Rumble? I think it's obvious what they're planning with Reigns and quite frankly it's the wrong decision.

Brock Lesnar vs Dolph Ziggler at WM31 anyone?

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15 Dec 2014 20:12:06
I would love to see Ziggler vs lesnar at wm31 but I reckon Ziggler should be the one to defeat Rusev at wm. Rollins on the other hand he should tease cashing in against lesnar this evening only for orton to return and attack him, I felt as this raw is being heavily pushed, they should crown a new champion, anyone else reckon though dolph and reigns will pull double duty at royal rumble

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I can see Rollins cashing in tonight myself either losing (JOKE) or winning and it being a treble threat at the Rumble.

Ed023

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Ziggler and Lesnar = $$$$$$

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Looking at how easily Brock through Jericho about on Raw, do you not think it would be hard to sell Ziggler vs Brock as a contest?

How would Ziggler compete?

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15 Dec 2014 15:19:27
Anyone who voted No in the NXT being better than main roster is either high or crazy. Main shows production quality is better and that is about it. In terms of Wrestling and storylines that actually make sense, NXT blows the main roster out the water. Give me Charlotte vs Sasha any day over Kane, Rybotch, Big Slow, Swagless, Bellas, Miz, New Day, Adam Rose, Usos, Los MataBores, every other diva bar a few, Cena and the rest of the garbage Vince churns out. Also as a side note did you know that Vince has people watch NXT to get ideas, his own developmental team are better than him.

RealBigBear

Ed08{Ed008's Note - The main roster is restricted though aren't they?

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100% they are Ed but the question is not about where they could be if they had the shackles removed. Right now NXT is better than the main show, look at the contrast in quality between NXT's PPV and the Main rosters PPV. I like guys like the Usos but in their current state they are boring as hell. That PPV last night was terrible outside 2 matches which we all knew would deliver.

RealBigBear

Ed08{Ed008's Note - I've been reading all week that the main roster were determined to make the TLC PPV a better show then the NXT PPV but the case is they had no chance. 2 matches had the ability to do so to put on a better match then say Neville vs Zayn. Matches like Big Show vs Erick Rowan and Ryback vs Kane simply do not appeal to the audience anymore these giant clashes aren't the same like they were 10-15 years ago.

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See back in the day these "Big Men" matches were appealing because it was not every day you seen massive guys like that. With the boom of the fitness, suppliment and neutrition industries there are guys as big as Rybotch down my local gym you see big muscular guys on the street almost every day now so it is no longer passible to just be big you need other qualitys about you that a lot of these guys do not have.

RealBigBear

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You watch NXT then you watch TLC. Hmmm.
Apparently the WWE roster have held a meeting as they are not happy about being so outclassed.
BUT what can they do? A former Wyatt family member who apparently has suddenly become a wine expert, Rubic Cube solving genius called 'Big Red' (??) against the lumbering Big Show.
Ryback who is so limited against what is one of the saddest things in wrestling now, a washed up Kane.
Cena won't lose as he is fighting Lesnar at the Rumble. Rollins can't cash his contract in until then (though I agree with Ed and would love to see it sooner).
The shining lights are Rollins, Ambrose & Bray, but over reliance on them breeds familiarity which in turn breeds boredom.
The great thing about NXT is it's freshness, the far better writing and the lack of predictability.

COYS

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NXT is much better, and its because only having one hour of tv a week and a ppv every 12 weeks leaves people wanting more.

Between all the TV shows and a PPV per month WWE is unbelievably over exposed.

I heard JR talking about squash matches vs jobbers making a return to TV the other day, and surprisingly he made a great argument.

Why would you pay to see Swagger vs Rusev? You've seen Rusev do Swagger a dozen times, why not have Rusev beat Bill Smith from the local city and make Superstar vs Superstar matches a bit more special?

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15 Dec 2014 12:00:12
Awful ppv last night saved only by ziggler v harper match.

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For anyone who has not watched it yet and reads this. Watch the first and last match, the rest you can skip. Ziggler and Harper was the best match but I also enjoyed Ambrose and Wyatt and it was a pleasent surprise that they were the main event. I can tell you one thing Ziggler and Harper will be sore today.

RealBigBear

Ed08{Ed008's Note - Ziggler vs Harper was match of the night for me but that's only because I fell asleep 5 mins into the main event of Bray and Ambrose will have to catch the replay later on SS3. I legit thought Harper broke his arm in that match!

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15 Dec 2014 15:27:28
Totally agree Ziggler and Harper were awesome, Ziggler stole the show. Again

Call

Ed08{Ed008's Note - Ziggler and Harper stole the show not just one individual both took insane bumps involving the ladders.

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Yeah that bump looked nasty when he took it, expect them both to be carrying some heavy bruises tonight.

RealBigBear

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He did look in trouble, but got back in to it, Harper looks like a tough old boot.

Do you think Cena and Rollins went on halfway through because they knew there is only so much of people hitting each with metal objects people would watch before they got bored?

They really tested Ambrose and Wyatt to put on a match that would get people out of their seats after 3 hours of it.

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14 Dec 2014 23:37:31
The Fantasy League Table has been updated to reflect last week's TV shows and this week's Raw and Smackdown, hope to have some news regarding transfers and small changes to the fantasy league by the end of the week.

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14 Dec 2014 22:42:27
With the reports of wwe bringing the European title for Rusev, how about barrett returns as a face and is the one to beat Rusev

Call

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14 Dec 2014 23:25:45
Love the idea, said it before. Or even have Neville do it once he's demoted to Raw. Unfortunately it ain't going to happen & it will be an American, most likely Cena.

Woody101

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They will save Rusev for a big name.

Randy, Cena, Ambrose, Riegns, Bryan, I am pretty confident he won't be pinned by a US title contender.

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14 Dec 2014 16:17:30
I was watching NXT Takeover and I completely agree with the many messages on this site praising it and also giving cudos to HHH for his management.
I would also like to see some cross-over to the main shows where new blood would liven up what is a very stale roster.
The big stumbling block to this happening is Vince. With the network launched (everywhere except here) and viewing figures falling he is afraid to take the necessary risk. We will be stuck with Cena, Orton, Big Show, Kane, Ziggler, Rusev etc dominating the main matches. The fomer Shield members and Bray Wyatt have shown what an influx of good, new proven talent can add. More of the same could only help as the current roster is struggling to fill both RAW & Smackdown.
Vince's idea of a risk is signing Sting and relying on Cena.
The difficulty is that while most wrestling fans will know about NXT and the up and coming names, the rest of the world doesn't and it is this area Vince is directing his attention to and to satisfy them he needs established names.
Maybe a regular section on Raw & Smackdown showing the highlights from NXT might be a way of introducing new potential superstars. Showing the entry of Finn Balor on it's own would create a huge wave of interest.

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I like NXT being separate, I would rather see some of the more talented established names go back and work with them on the small scale.

Sami Zayne was truly made by his series with Cesaro.

Keep them separate, and when the time comes to bring them through make it mean something.

Adam Rose should never have gone up because they brought him in low and gave him nothing.

When someone like Neville goes up he should be straight in after a top guy.

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I am worried that the shareholders may pull the plug on NXT. The big bucks will always be with RAW and the PPVs.
There are rumours of further, stringent cuts coming and I'm afraid NXT has a big bulls eye on it, despite the quality.
If the viewing public see some NXT names on the main shows then it might have a better chance of surviving.

COYS

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They've built a solid brand in NXT they'd be mad to ditch it.

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14 Dec 2014 09:21:13
Anyone else watched nxt takeover revolution last night half way through absolutely fantastic

Call

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14 Dec 2014 13:59:59
yeah it's just phenomenal. Some would really improve the main roster right now. Great watch Sami Zayns Tornado DDT through the ropes is a joy to behold.

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14 Dec 2014 18:15:31
It certainly was a great watch that tornado ddt, also that divas match was awesome aswell

Call

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Best show since Mania.

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13 Dec 2014 23:27:01
We're looking for some feedback from you guys regarding the Wrestling Fantasy League anything you'd like to see added any ideas you have?
Much appreciated.

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13 Dec 2014 23:32:08
It's very good despite me not doing very well, possible during the first transfer window, we could select a nxt superstar, also when superstars from nxt debut on raw and smackdown will they be automatically be able to pick when it is the transfer window

Call

Ed08{Ed008's Note - NXT is an option I'm looking to have added.

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14 Dec 2014 05:45:23
Has been fantastic even though I joined late and reigns has been a dick and got injured. If it wasn't for zigglers push I'd be last!!.

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Has been enjoyable ed, do we know when the next ranger window is? Is their any chance we could have them more frequent? As u know storylines change every month etc so things can change easily haha I think Dolph has saved a lot of people

Diego_oh_oh_oh

Ed08{Ed008's Note - I'm trying to plan a transfer one for January we're likely to end it at Wrestlemania and start a fresh the next night on Raw is my thinking.

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14 Dec 2014 14:03:25
You guys could have like ONE emergency transfer per season.
Because injuries will take a lot of people out of the equation (reigns Injury) I think half the playing field was automatically out of the running because of that

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I found lots of people have the same or similar combinations.

I guess more category's would open a wider range of combos for each persons team.

Perhaps a face and a heel from each category meaning we have a genuine roster each?

It works fine as is, just brainstorming.

Ed08{Ed008's Note - But what happens if someone turns so Ambrose is a face and he turns Heel?

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The same as what happens if a tag team breaks up or a guy gets injured I guess?

Its not very interactive either, I picked my team months ago and haven't even looked for weeks?

Ed08{Ed008's Note - Well that's why I need feedback I understand Tag Teams is the main issue but you've got to somehow include the Tag Titles as points its like when one of your best players in the football gets injured and he's in your fantasy league but the window has already passed and you've got 2-3 months for the next one. I want to make it fun but not too easy.

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13 Dec 2014 22:07:44
Does anyone think WWE should bring back the Cruiserweight division or something of the likes? With all the high flying talent they have & coming through on NXT it makes sense would be perfect timing if Rey Mysterious has a few matches left in him they could use him to build it up & give some of the NXT guys Neville & Zane comes to mind the push they need onto the main roster. Don't get me wrong I think there good enough for titles & matches way bigger & better than Cruiserweights but knowing WWE size matters & something like this would be a good way to keep some great superstars in the picture. But mostly excite the fans.

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I agree mate, I e said this for a long time. I'd drop the u. s title so that the intercontinental title becomes bigger as well

Diego_oh_oh_oh

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14 Dec 2014 20:59:41
Something else I said to a mate recently was that withe the amount of European talent the WWE now has they could bring back the European title for a period using only these guys to showcase there skills would be great for stars like Cesaro, Rusev, BNB, Neville, Shemus maybe even Finn Balor. I'm probably wrong on that angle but looks like Lana posted a picture of the European title so Rusev swapping it out for the U.S. Title could be in the offing after defeating Swagger in the early morning.

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13 Dec 2014 19:06:14
with Trips putting out continual great NXT shows just think about how good raw will be once Vince is dead or retired! These young guys are going to make WWE a great product again

LeeWils

Ed07{Ed007's Note - I've said on here since the site started that the WWE would be in safe hands under HHH. People said his ego would get in the way and he would be too busy self-promoting to put on a good show.
HHH is one of the best things to have ever happened to professional wrestling and history will show go on to prove it IMO, he's done it all and done it well, from Terra Ryzing and the terrible "Connecticut Blueblood" Hunter Hearst Helmsley, being buried for breaking kayfabe during The MSG incident and then working his way back and through his time as one of the best workers in the WWE and through two of wrestling's best ever gimmicks in 'The Game' and DX now he's made the step up again to corporate he is doing what he has done all his career and that's raising the bar.
WWE shows are becoming more enjoyable every week over the last couple of months, there's been a few hiccups along the way but I'd say generally the product seems to be improving. There's still a long way to go to bring the shows up to the best they can/should be but it's definitely looking like for the first time in a while it's going in the right direction.}

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I completely agree ED the way he learns off of others and takes it to a whole new level is something that many lack. Whilst I love what Vince has done for pro wrestling over the years I do think it may be time for him to take more of a back seat in some areas.

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HHH is my personal favourite.

That said running four "PPV shows" per year with a constantly improving roster is not as hard a job as people make it sound.

All it says to me is the NXT model is working much better than WWE main roster does.

A one hour show every week that rarely features all the same guys, then a big blow off show every 8 to 12 weeks leaves you wanting more rather than feeling bloated.

They are doing a great job with NXT, but they are running it the way it all should be done.

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13 Dec 2014 09:54:08
Just to say Ziggler stole the show again on smackdown

Call

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The guy knows what he is doing.

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12 Dec 2014 17:08:15
HHH truly is best for business. NXT is his baby and you can't heap enough praise on all involved.

Danmation

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Dusty Rhodes books it does he not? I give him props for backing the idea but the people who write and book the show are the ones that deserve the most praise.

RealBigBear

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13 Dec 2014 02:18:42
Dusty is still writing for NXT but Triple H oversees & micro manages everything, he basically does on NXT what Vince does on the main shows, everything goes through him.

Woody101

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If he does then fair play to him but I still give the most praise to the writers and Dusty. Just think how good Raw could be if Vince done the off along with the writers and Dusty and the NXT writers were booking it. Vince is becoming a bit of a joke in my eyes now with some of the stuff he comes up with.

RealBigBear

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NXT is a show for Wrestling fans, Vince wants RAW and Smackdown to be entertainment shows.

I hope he ends up with the dream of NXT running as his own competition, it certainly is in my house.

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12 Dec 2014 08:22:36
TakeOver

Balors entrance holy **** that was awesome!

Fantastic show

Jim

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12 Dec 2014 12:19:58
I have heard nothing but positives about this show, after reading the report I am pencilling the full 2 hours in to watch it beginning to end.

I haven't watched a wrestling show start to finish in yonks.

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Best WWE show of the year imo. Well worth a watch in full

Jim

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12 Dec 2014 23:53:35
Absolute must see. In my opinion all 4 of NXT's ppv's are in the top 5 WWE shows this year. Incredible.

Woody101

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Brilliant show and how tough is Owens? Balor's entrance was brilliant too, imagine it at WrestleMania lol ---all in all a great show and a great twist at the end.

Ed023

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Owens/Steen is seriously tough as is Sami check out the Ladder War vs The Briscoes and the matches they had against each other the Ladder Match at Final Battle and any guerilla warfare match in PWG

Jim

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The Best Show since Mania.

Balor and Hitomi are awesome.

Owens looks great.

Sami and Neville are both still awesome.

This show was awesome, and better still it set up the next months worth of shows. Its basic booking but when done well its so moreish.

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11 Dec 2014 16:47:08
Just read that in hour 2 of Raw there was 2 minutes and 3 seconds of wrestling. Fook, it is getting worse.

RealBigBear

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That doesn't seem right, though I did watch Raw in about 20 minutes this week.

Is that one very short match bell to bell?

I consider ring entrances and in ring melees that happen outside of the bell to bell to be perfectly acceptable segments.

But if they have 20 minutes of adverts and 30 minutes of in ring and back stage promo they are not really showcasing the talent.

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11 Dec 2014 10:34:08
"HHH said that the NXT special would air on Sky Sports 3 in the UK, and they're working on getting the WWE Network up and running there. "

So I checked the TV listings and theirs an episode of NXT at 12am is that the event live?

Anybody know?

ED008   ED008
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Unknown, but they have shown the previous NXT Takeovers.

Is the episode an hour long or more?

That said I think R-Evolution may only be one hour anyway?

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11 Dec 2014 21:23:34
Definitely on sky sports 3 at 12 am already set to record for me, looking forward to Zayn vs Neville I reckon Zayn will win and the debut of kevin Owens

Call

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11 Dec 2014 22:42:01
Not going to get chance to watch til tomorrow, got to be longer than an hour, the previous 3 have been 2 hours.

Woody101

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11 Dec 2014 22:46:32
Its not on at 12 tonight on ss3, its an hour long episode of Renee Young hyping Takeover 3.

Woody101

Ed07{Ed007's Note - NXT just started at 11 pm on SS3, sorry about that I never even noticed.}

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Just been flicking through the Sky Sports listings and it looks as if Takeover will be on at 11pm on Saturday on SS3. Doesn't say it's Takeover but it is 2 hours so makes sense to me.

Danmation

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12 Dec 2014 06:52:33
Definelty true danmation, I just honestly saw nxt and the names of Neville vs Zayn for title at nxt revolution, but I was incorrect, sorry on my part if anyone else did record it under my previous post

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It sounds like a hell of a show.

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11 Dec 2014 10:28:23
I just read a report that suggested Wrestlemania 31 will see Undertaker vs Bray and Sting vs HHH.

I would actually love to see those two matches on the grandest stage of them all, but can't help but think if the world is climbing over itself for Sting vs Taker why would you deny them?

My only thought is they will hold it off for that huge Texas WM32 in 2016?

I also heard Undertaker has a $1m dollar retainer/guarantee to work for WWE if he appears on not. That's obscene knowing your average midcarder only makes $250k for working 300 nights per year, and pays there own travel.

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I would like to see the Bray vs Taker feud. I agree that they might save Taker vs Sting for WM32 being in in Texas and Taker and Sting setting a new attendance record. Would be awesome to see them go out together on the grandest stage of them all.

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If you're earning $1m per year just to be under contract I doubt he will go out?

He could work another 10 years even if he just makes an appearance a few time per year.

People don't pay to see the matches, they want the entrance, the theatrics, they want him to sit up after taking a finish, so I think he could be around a long time yet.

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I'd actually love a year long prelude to Taker Vs Sting at WM32. Have them be allies from WM31 taking a stand against the young upstarts (how great would a united Taker & Sting be) - then at Royal Rumble 2016 Taker turns on Sting giving him his one last run as a Heel setting up their retirement match

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09 Dec 2014 18:35:02
Cena should have got a slammy for easily the worst sleeper hold in the history of wrestling, my god that was bad.

Woody101

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The two signs were brilliant. When Show had Cena in a bear hug this dude was holding up a "Boring" sign, then Cena slipped out and put on that sleeper and the guy next to the first dude put up and identical "Double Boring" sign.

Great comedy timing.

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08 Dec 2014 11:31:24
Read that Jason David frank wants cm punk in his debut match, words can't explain how much I want this to happen, Tommy Oliver, the green ranger, the guy every boy grew up wanting to be, verses my altime favourite superstar. This needs to happen and would certainly bring in more Capitol than if punk fought some nobody.

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08 Dec 2014 18:36:00
I think this fight may make the UFC seem a bit Gimicky can't see Dana White going for it.

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I'm convinced Punk will get some walk overs to hype him arriving.

They'd be nuts to just throw him in there with a shark.

That said I think Brock started with Frank Mir and lost, then went on to be Heavyweight champ.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - Lesnar was managed very well, in a similar way to how you are suggesting Punk is helped along, to make sure he got a title shot. The UFC will look to do the same with Punk I am sure, there is no Nurmagomedov in his weight division, so it should be easy to manage him to a title shot. Once there it is up to him to take it.}

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Disagree Ed, no chance Punk gets a title shot in either the middleweight or welterweight division. Also I disagree that Lesnar was managed in the UFC he was not just fed bums ir people to suit his style, 2 fights with one of the best BJJ practioners mainstream MMA has ever seen and top guy at the time, Frank Mir. They were not fights that favoured Lesnar.

RealBigBear

Ed01{Ed001's Note - so one guy and a bunch of BJJ guys who were spoonfed to him because they couldn't strike. Disagree all you want but he was managed.}

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Naaah Ed being spoonfed would of been to give Lesnar low level wrestling based fighters that did not bother with Jiu Jitsu. In your 3rd professional fight and you get thrown in with arguably the best BJJ practitioner in heavyweight history. I would not class that as being protected.

RealBigBear

Ed01{Ed001's Note - you really have no idea then. The best BJJ fighters fail miserably without striking, it was only successful initially as the rules were deliberately slanted towards them, as the UFC was only set up by the Gracies to 'prove' that it was a worthwhile art. That is why just taking someone down is worth so many points, even though you are doing little to no damage.

Initially Lesnar was given a tough fight, as the so-called real martial artists wanted to give the fake wrestler a beat down. The revenue from that fight was particularly huge and marketing dollars won over the dislike for what was then seen as a joke by most martial artists. So they had to make sure Lesnar was able to fight people who wouldn't just batter him, people who they knew would be completely physically outmatched by him.

All they needed to do was get him to a title match, it doesn't matter then if he wins or loses, as by that point he would be considered a credible fighter and they had made a killing and brought in a new set of fans. It worked and Lesnar was able to actually continue to win against some of the top fighters too, even after they stopped spoonfeeding him opponents.

They will do the same with Punk, the marketing dollars are far too big to put him in with top fighters, especially as it will take him time to adjust. They will match him carefully with people who will make him look credible. It will be up to him, just like it was with Lesnar, to actually win anything though.}

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Or maybe you have no idea Ed. Everyone knows that Lesnar is shooting for the takedown in every fight so if you want to spoonfeed him someone then you give him a striking based opponent with low level takedown defence and low level Jiu Jitsu. Instead he went in with Mir who can tangle a lot of BJJ black belts up in knots never mind a guy who has limited training. Look at Conor Mcgregor who they are protecting to a degree. He wants to keep the fight standing so they give him guys that will not shoot for the takedown.

Same goes for Lesnar. He wants the fight on the ground so you give him someone who wants to keep it standing not someone who would rather keep it on the ground as well. As an interesting point who at that time would of been a "credible" opponent in your eyes?.

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10 Dec 2014 07:38:28
Well he was put in with a big striker in Overeem (at the time) & lost & he was put in with a top wrestler Cain Velasquez & lost bad. Punk will be managed but I do not think he could get past a Hendricks McDonald or Woodley. Or a Belfort Machida, Diaz, Pettis will feel the wrath of Khabib soon enough eh ed001? Going from the 1st round on Saturday night he will not like that fight at all. Just to add Quickly to an above post Cenas Sleeper was hilarious!

Ed01{Ed001's Note - they are all running scared of Nurmagamedov, and I don't blame them as he is better than any other fighter in the division by a considerable margin. Pound for pound he has to be the best fighter in male MMA, I think Rousey is the only person who could argue a case against him. Unfortunately, she is even further above the competition than he is, so it is difficult to judge just how good she actually is.}

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Its worth noting that Lesnar is a far superior athlete to Punk. I'm sure Punk will be fine, and a little protected at first, but Brock is super human.

Brock's limited skill (outside of Wrestling) was covered by the fact he was bigger and stronger than nearly everyone he fought. Brocks biggest weakness was he seemed to hate getting hit.

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10 Dec 2014 15:37:00
Am a big lesnar fan but his record wasn't that great in UFC 5 wins 3 defeats hardly ran riot there granted he won the title though

Ryan!!!!

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Tbf to Lesnar his only losses were as follows.

Mir: only his 2nd fight and he was winning until he got caught in a stupid submission.

Overeem: A guy who is a solid striker who caught Brock in the body with a lethal knee that done him in.

Velasquez: The baddest man on the planet, simple as that.

RealBigBear

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The loss to Overeem could be considered debatable as he fail a drug test shortly afterwards

Jim

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Brock clearly wasn't 100% when he lost to Overeem, knowing that he'd come back from than intestine surgery it seems harsh to say it was a weak performance when that Dude caught him so spot on.

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08 Dec 2014 04:13:26
Can someone clarify something for me, I was under the impression that TLC was on Sky Sports for free but I have just seen the advert at the end which says it is on Box Office. Did I make the free bit up in my head or have they changed it to Box Office?

RealBigBear

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08 Dec 2014 06:57:40
I swear it's on sky sports 1 so it just comes with usual sky package, saw the ad during smackdown I will check on sky listings though for,next Sunday night

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08 Dec 2014 07:14:33
It is on sky sports 1 big bear just had a look at the listings, what's even more concerning there has only been four ppvs on sky sports 1 and the rest have been on box office, I have bought the 8 ppvs on box office thus spending £120 on wwe ppvs

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I stream the night after, but you can't beat watching it lag free in HD when they are giving them away.

I still can't understand how they can justify selling it for £15?

If it was a fiver they'd surly sell thousands more subscriptions.

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07 Dec 2014 08:56:21
Cm punk to UFC in 2015. Guess we'll see if he really is the best in the world

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07 Dec 2014 16:33:29
He was never the best in the world in the first place.

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Good luck to the guy, big fan on his just a shame he won't be coming back to the WWE. Then again the lazy writers would only waste him like they seem to do with just about everyone else.

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This will either make or break "the CM Punk brand"

Running your mouth is great if you can back it up, if they let him sell a fight like we know he can it will be brilliant, but if he then gets his teeth knocked in its over before it starts.

I predict he will be well protected with fights against nobodies until he is good to go.

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07 Dec 2014 03:58:28
I can imagine Vince will not be happy. For those of you that are not MMA fans or have not read the news. UFC have just signed CM Punk. I am both buzzing and terrified, I know he trains in different MMA aspects but I fear it is too late for the transition. I await WWE taking a shot at this on Monday night.

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07 Dec 2014 09:20:17
I am buzzing too real big bear, I just woke up from watching the ufc event and I thought it was good, who do you think punks first opponent should be

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07 Dec 2014 10:55:37
Fair play to Punk. Hope he does well there.

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Would think he'd start by fighting someone with the same MMA Record as him 0-0 on the prelims

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Knowing how spiteful and childish Vince can be I wouldn't be surprised if he takes it out of AJ by making her job to nobodys every week.

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Just woke up & watched UFC great news about punk stepping in the Octagon something to look forward too I can see him winning a couple of fights as soon as he steps in with a real fighter hel be done. He may not like getting punched hard in the face though & if be surprised if he's put in with any punchers.

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It all depends on who they put him in with. I can pretty much guarentee it will be a more striking based fighter as that would give him his best chance. By the sounds of it they are not planning this to be a one time thing so they will not put him in with someone that is A. A wrestler that will just take him down and strangle the fight or B. A knockout artist who will spark him in a couple of minutes. They will try and find a middle ground

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07 Dec 2014 16:39:11
Didnt Batista lose against some no name guy & he was more equipped & ready than Punk is.

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Ed08{Ed008's Note - Batista only had 1 match and he won before pursuing a career in acting.

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I fail to see how you could think Batista would of been better equipped than Punk? Because he has bigger muscles? that don't mean sh*t in MMA.

I am more than aware that Punk is not going to be a top guy in UFC but I am excited anyway. Even if he goes in there and gets knocked out or submitted he will deserve respect for stepping in there in the first place.

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07 Dec 2014 18:32:06
By the way I do have massive respect for him for doing it. It's really hard to think what type of fighter he will be in with he said middleweight there's some big guys in that division it suggests he will be concentrating on his BJJ skills I really hope he does well.

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07 Dec 2014 19:10:20
I have tons of respect for punk and what he is doing, but I am concerned for his well being in ufc if he got injured by taking bumps in wwe imagine what could happen in ufc, they say ryback took years off his life, I reckon he may only live up until to 50'

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UFC is a different type of punishment than WWE. In wrestling it is constant trauma to the body where you have to constantly continue and get battered off the ground. In MMA if you get hurt then the fight gets stopped. Also unlike WWE in MMA you get suspensions for injuries where even if you feel fine there is a certain amount of time you cannot fight for and that is not just for serious injuries but for cuts as well.

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07 Dec 2014 20:15:49
I always thought Batista was always into martial arts & trained mma style before & throughout his wrestling career. But what do I know, I thought he lost his mma match, he's often mocked for it so I assumed he lost it.

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07 Dec 2014 22:27:51
I just mocked Batista the other night for it because it was such a poor quality of MMA from both guys he hit the guy with a few big shots against the cage. The hardest thing for punk will be to look good in the octagon like he can in a ring I fear his skills won't be to a UFC level because it is the biggest stage in MMA.

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07 Dec 2014 22:36:43
What are the chances of aj Lee joining ufc when she leaves wwe following her husbands footsteps

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I highly doubt it Call them chicas are tough in the UFC and she simply will not have the ability. Punk at least has trained in BJJ with the Gracie's and has been around the MMA game for a good few years at least and I doubt he will become anything special in the sport.

Look at Lesnar for example. He had the success he did because he is a freak of nature and he had such high level wrestling. But his skill set as a whole was lacking. Despite this I am 99. 99% sure he would destroy the WWE roster 1 by 1 and hardly break a sweat. So if, who would struggle in the HW division just now, can walk through tge WWE roster then that shows you how big that transition is.

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I'm sure they will look after Punk, put him in matches with guys they expect him to beat until he is confident enough to go at it with someone who knows what they're doing.

His true value will be in his ability to sell a fight, and work up a crowd, but in the UFC if you talk the talk you really have to walk the walk.

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08 Dec 2014 18:33:13
I agree RBB no way AJ Lee could join UFC imagine her skipping to an octagon lol. Has anyone seen Ronda Rouseys mean face? Lol my god that woman scares me but highly arouses me too haha.

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08 Dec 2014 18:33:25
I agree RBB no way AJ Lee could join UFC imagine her skipping to an octagon lol. Has anyone seen Ronda Rouseys mean face? Lol my god that woman scares me but highly arouses me too haha.

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I agree Bessex Punk will talk people into the seats like Conor McGregor does now or like Chael Sonnen was doing, not that I think Punk is at there ability level or will be ever but I'd be happy to be proven wrong

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Apparently Punk is in to his Jujitsu and marshal arts.

The WWE are always trying to sell the idea that you have to be an elite athlete to meet their standards, if he can take a punch he could have the tools to make something of him self.

Ed01{Ed001's Note - you would think a good run by Punk in the UFC would benefit the WWE if anything. Lesnar brought respect back to wrestling, Punk could do a similar job.}

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Listening to Punk's podcast and the follow up I get the impression he isn't done with Wrestling.

He knows he will get the itch somewhere down the line and when he does he doesn't want to be the guy that said he said never.

Jericho was that guy who said He'd never go back but then he wanted it, and he was still good enough, so you get over it and do it.

I'll be stunned if Punk never goes back.

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Punk has traine BJJ for a while with the Gracies and he said he had a background in kempo but he is going to need a lot more than that. Obviously I have not seen him fight before but I reckon any top 10 middleweight would take hime out within 3 rounds.

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It should be hammered home that Punk is starting a new venture from the bottom.

There are guys we've never heard of with ten years in MMA that are begging for a UFC contract that would rip his face off for the opportunity he is being handed.

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