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23 Feb 2017 21:15:36
Anyone else see Lesnar costing Owens the title at Fast lane after the promo on Raw?

Seems it is going to happen and would be a good way for Owens to stay looking strong heading into Mania.

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23 Feb 2017 22:23:44
It is Goldberg, and he is facing a guy named Kevin. So I'm going to go with Scott Hall tazering Goldberg to help Owens win.

Seriously though. With HHH re-entering the picture, Owens should retain somehow. It still wouldn't surprise though if Old-Greenberg won the title.

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24 Feb 2017 09:52:08
I think Joe and HHH will form a stable with Owens, potentially leading to the Shield reforming for Summerslam.

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24 Feb 2017 12:03:51
Yeah I can see HHH, Owens, Joe joining up. It could have a few others in the stable (The Revival maybe? ) or maybe go for a 2 man power trip type of story line.

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25 Feb 2017 11:39:39
I cannot see Owens beating Goldberg unless Lesnar costs Goldberg the title. Which is a shame. There is no need for Goldberg/ Lesnar to have a title at stake apart from selling Mania to a broader audience.
I expect Lesnar to beat Goldberg at Mania and we will have a part time champ again.
Owens will face Jericho and KO will become US champion allowing Jericho to go on tour.

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22 Feb 2017 11:41:23
Well. AJ definitely touched down before Harper, but what is the betting that on the next show the footage magically shows them touching down at the same time?
I reckon in next weeks rematch, Orton will interfere to cost Harper so we will then have Wyatt/ Styles and Orton/ Harper at Mania.

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22 Feb 2017 15:52:28
I'm not even sure how they can claim it was a draw, there was at least 5 seconds between aj and Harper and feet hitting the floor 😂.

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22 Feb 2017 18:15:01
If they were to do Styles vs Wyatt for the title, they should combine the other feuds into a big IC tltle match. Ambrose vs Corbin vs Cena vs Miz vs Harper vs Orton. With names like that, I wouldn't mind them doing the ladder match again. Or they could do a number of other things. Cena going for the Grand Slam and Orton being the first to take his RR "shot" at the IC title, would help the match feel special.

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23 Feb 2017 00:09:20
I think the whole spot was done intentionally. If they use the video to show harper landing first it allows styles to carry on with his thought that Shane and Bryan are against and leading to the much reported Shane vs styles match. Also realistically speaking dies anyone think Orton will give up that spot after all he is main eventing the biggest ppv in wrestling and god knows when he'll have the chance again. It makes sense for a wyatt triple threat as wwe can kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

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23 Feb 2017 14:32:45
I have read a few places that Shane is likely to come out and over rule Daniel Bryan's draw decision, leading to the two matches.

Wyatt triple threat and AJ vs Shane.

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23 Feb 2017 17:24:19
Bessex how about that that's the storyline they go with but shane `is unable to compete` so get's nakamura in his place? Shane can then still be in the match and gives styles a proper opponent?

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23 Feb 2017 20:31:15
Not a hope in that happening. Shane has got the McMahon ego gene. There is no way he will give up the chance to jump off something at Mania.

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24 Feb 2017 12:11:02
They botched that ending! It was a shame really as it was good match and a good Smackdown (I thought Smackdown had gone off the boil a bit)

It looks like it could go a few ways
A) Wyatt Triple Threat, AJ v Shane
B) Wyatt v AJ, Orton V Harper
C) Fatal Four Way

I think they'll go with option A. This should give us the best story for the title, but it sucks for AJ! Hopefully they put something on the line if it's an AJ v Shane match. It should be for control of the company. AJ calls himself the face that runs the place - this is his chance to literally run the place. Could be good if AJ wins (or if Nakamura debuted to cost AJ the match)

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21 Feb 2017 23:27:17
Anyone else getting the feeling it'll be Reigns who defeats Strawman first?
If so it'll be a shambles as Reigns is clearly hated i'd rather big show did it than Reigns lol although i've seen rumours that show is retiring after wm.

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22 Feb 2017 09:36:39
The way Strowman has been booked recently has me very worried that it will all lead to Reigns pinning him at Fastlane and thus killing all momentum for Strowman.
The fact Strowman has the upper hand at the moment doesn't bode well.
My only glimmer of hope is that for once creative have done a brilliant job of building Strowman up, they have shown how the long game can work really well to get someone over. Hopefully they realise that and that sacrificing it just to make Reigns look strong for Taker is a waste. Personally I would have Taker interfere and have it a no contest, that way both guys look strong and it sets up Taker V Reigns at Mania. I'm loving Strowman at the moment and I could happily envisage him going on an undefeated streak for quite some time which culminates in getting the title from Olberg or Lesnar (If it's true their Mania match is for the belt) . They could then make an absolute star out of the person who ends the streak and wins the title (Like WCW failed to do with Goldberg)

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22 Feb 2017 10:33:14
I see Reigns and Strowman going to a no contest.

If I was booking I'd be looking at the next big money match being Strowman vs Lesnar for the title.

Keep both undefeated until Summerslam.

If Reigns beats the Undertaker at Mania then it'll take years to get him any sort of face reaction again ever.

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22 Feb 2017 11:35:46
I'm with Bessex on this. They must keep Strowman unbeaten or he will start to go the way of Rusev, an unstoppable beast to a semi-comedy act now just putting others over.
They won't let Reigns lose unless KO and Joe interfere to set up the Shield/ Authority match we all know will come, probably at Summerslam.

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24 Feb 2017 12:13:12
I don't think Reigns will pin Strowman but they'll male it clear that he WOULD HAVE won. I think he'll be about to Spear Strowman and the lights will go out. Taker will appear to cost Reigns the match. Strowman will get a win (and could beat down Reigns more after the match to keep momentum)

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21 Feb 2017 16:35:32
The ppv schedule after Mania is starting to come out.

Payback (RAW) April 30th.
Backlash (SD) May 21st.
Extreme Rules (RAW) June 4th.
Money in the Bank (SD) June 18th.

Nothing is set for July yet, but I'd imagine it'll be Battleground and something like Vengence. Then in september, the probable Clash of Champions will be joined by another reused event.

Smackdown not having a ppv until 7 weeks after Mania, could lead to one helluva an event. There is a rumored draft, which appears would take place after Backlash. It'll also be interesting to see if RAW has a special match or something for a title shot with SD getting MitB.

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22 Feb 2017 10:36:12
It'll be interesting to see how drafts go with em actually having the equivalent of a pool of NXT free agents to argue over, and potentially trading their stars to get the hottest free guys.

Of course they've already kind of buggered that by having a guy like Joe just be Raw with no draft or questioning all.

Why have a draft why isn't somebody signing Roode and Nakamura now?

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20 Feb 2017 21:36:57
I know currently it doesn't go with stories but a stable I would like would be a anti American one the Canadians owens roode young zayn jericho.

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21 Feb 2017 10:17:52
It would be good but I doubt WWE would do it as Roode and Young were both in a anti american Canadian group in TNA called Team Canada. WWE Seem to want to stay away from Stable that had been done else where such as Drafting the Club and AJ to Different brands and keeping Finn away from the Club too.

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21 Feb 2017 14:02:27
I doubt it will happen aswell but just like the idea of it if you where to create a stable just now who would you have in it face or heel.

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21 Feb 2017 16:10:57
It'd be cool to see them team in a special event, but I really don't want to see any stables/ groups like that anymore. I think it was COYS that had the idea to do a wrestling version of the Ryder Cup, that I think could be really cool.

With the brand split, doing a country vs country Survivor Series match or even a mini 4 team tournament would be a neat way to have an interpromotional match without it just being SD vs RAW.

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22 Feb 2017 10:38:26
Its kind of been done to death, but that doesn't mean it can't be done again.

With the way Trump has divided America I can see people backing the Canadians.

I think we are about to get a new Evolution with HHH, Joe, Owens, and an up comer.

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22 Feb 2017 19:32:28
True bessex but it's a angle that will never get boring especially when they change who'd involved often enough. I think that new evolution could be good it needs to be someone like Bobby roode or Austin Aries maybe both a over confident self regius type.

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19 Feb 2017 08:26:46
Who's everyone's top 3 heels in wrestling? Past or present, not restricted to just wwe

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19 Feb 2017 09:49:03
In the good old days of World of Sport you had the likes of Haystacks and Cyanide Sid Cooper, but the best by miles were Mick McManus and Jackie Pallo. I remember an old lady actually stabbed Cooper in the kidney with a knitting needle she hated him so much.
In the Golden Age you had more comical heels like Piper, Savage, Dibiase etc while in the modern era it seems nearly everyone except Cena has had a go at being a heel.
My top 3 are McManus, Rick Rude and The Miz. I love the Miz. He is a proper heel that people actually hate, not a comedy act.

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19 Feb 2017 11:55:37
This is a tricky one but for me my top 3 would be.
heel hhh
the miz
jericho.

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19 Feb 2017 12:39:46
Past heels: The Rock, HHH, Mr McMahon, Y2J, Edge, Orton (when he's being proper evil Orton)

Current Heels: The Miz, Charlotte.

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19 Feb 2017 14:27:15
Edge is a great shout. How did I forget Edge?

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19 Feb 2017 17:03:31
All time: Ric Flair, William Regal, and Jerry Lawler. Honorable Mention: Harley Race and HHH.
For me Flair is the GoaT Heel, and no one else is anywhere close. Regal and Lawler were both Jack of all trades Heels that I loved almost everything they did. I didn't get to see enough of Race to put him in my top 3, and HHH spent too much time as a face or tweener.

Current: The Miz, Elias Sampson, and Brian Kendrick. Honorable Mention: Drew Gulak.
I don't think a lot of guys do enough or get the reactions, to truly be categorized as a Heel. I consider guys like KO, Jericho, Wyatt, Joe, Corbin, etc., to be Tweeners. Same goes with Faces for me as well.

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19 Feb 2017 20:26:48
I know Flair is always rated as the top heel, but he has never really done it for me. I know this is wrestling heresy but there was always something too dramatic or even comic about Flair.
I agree completely with Jables about KO etc. Heels and faces for 10 year olds and people still like them. Which is why the Miz stands out. Corbin has a chance to be a great heel as well.

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19 Feb 2017 21:02:57
Miz is a great shout man a don't think anyone is as universaly hated or ever has been.

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19 Feb 2017 21:45:58
Heels I genuinely didn't like at the time the rock (nation of domination) Owen heart. Steve Austin.

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20 Feb 2017 08:25:56
vikki guerero,
Owen hart
The Miz.

all people everytone loved to hate!

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20 Feb 2017 09:58:17
I hated Sgt Slaughter when he threw that fireball at Hogan when I was a kid, and have since leaned to respect that heel work. Turning on the USA to sympathise with a middle eastern tyrant who is sending troops home in body bags. What an angle.

Edge's heel work when he embraced the hate he was getting with Lita was amazing, the heavy petting and stuff.

I do love the Miz, he generates proper heat, and nobody wants to see him win.

One that seems to e going begging is Vicki Gurrero, nobody got boo's like she did when the "EXCUSE ME" interrupted something good.

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20 Feb 2017 11:05:30
Yeah Vicky got nuclear heat, I think it was partly X Pac "Go Away" heat but she still got a huge reaction and shoukd get credit for her heel work.

Steph has being a heel down to a tee. If she put the faces over eventually she would be a great heel. That's what let's her down is never getting her comeuppance.

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20 Feb 2017 12:32:18
Don't forget Eva Marie gets nmajor heat.

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20 Feb 2017 16:10:33
Hollywood Rock was the perfect heel - possibly his best ever work.

Mr Perfect, his original run and smashing the championship belt was awesome.

Jake the Snake Roberts - the feuds against Macho Man, The Ultimate Warrior vignettes (though didn't lead to a feud) and the Undertaker - a 9 year old me believed every word he said.

Only dip in and out these days but none of the current roster get close to these in my book.

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22 Feb 2017 10:40:00
You really can't beat Vince at the end of the 90's though.

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19 Feb 2017 08:25:54
Just wondering, what's everyone's favourite ppv of all time? Or what's the best ever ppvs?

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19 Feb 2017 19:16:31
If I'm being sentimental my favourite would be the wrestlemania where seth cashed in as that was the first one I saw live. Had quality matches throughout. Also by being only a teenager it's quite limited. I did think the first takeover Brooklyn was quality and the one before wrestlemania 32. Like I said it's very limited lol.

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20 Feb 2017 08:48:59
Has to be Wrestlemania X-Seven. Rock Vs Austin, HHH VS Taker, Vince Vs Shane Tag Team TLC, Angle Vs Benoit just to name a few great mat.

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20 Feb 2017 10:01:57
It would be hard to pick anything other than a Wrestlemania

12 and 13 are big favourites.

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20 Feb 2017 12:10:15
summerslam 92, I was 2 years old and the crowd going off for the british bulldog started my love affair with wrestling!

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20 Feb 2017 16:15:35
For me it depends on if you look at it in hindsight or not.

Wrestlemania 8 was the most I marked out at. Undertaker, Macho Man, Warriors return.

Then you watch it back and realise the actual matches were pretty awful.

Survivor Series Deadly Games live was a damp good watch too.

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21 Feb 2017 12:53:29
summerslam 1990 has been my favourite PPV for a long time. I think though in recent years mania 31 was just great.

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17 Feb 2017 17:43:43
R.i.p to both Nicole Bass and George "the animal" Steele.

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17 Feb 2017 11:16:38
Touch of class by John Cena on Smackdown, as Wyatt was pinning him (clean for the second consecutive time) you can hear Cena say 'You're the real champion now' or something similar.
Nice touch I thought shows it's not just the fans who think Wyatt deserves his run with the belt.

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17 Feb 2017 12:06:19
The fact its heard on camera isn't very good, but he is one of genuine nice guys.

Regularly goes out of his way to live up to the image he portrays.

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17 Feb 2017 12:06:19
The fact its heard on camera isn't very good, but he is one of genuine nice guys.

Regularly goes out of his way to live up to the image he portrays.

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17 Feb 2017 12:22:08
AJ Styles has done a couple of interviews since and he has said that Cena planned a lot of the match and made sure it was in Wyatts favour. People may have a go at Cena but over the past 12 - 18 months he has started to pass the torch quite well. Clean wins for Owens,
Styles and Wyatt which has really established them.

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17 Feb 2017 12:28:30
X pac has come out and said that cena insisted that bray went over again. It was all said out back.

He must be in clark kent mode at the moment, he always seemed a nice guy.

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17 Feb 2017 12:41:42
Yeah I've never been a fan of SuperCena, always thought he was being protected ala Hogan. But the last few years he's really grown on me as clearly unlike Hogan he uses his backstage influence for the betterment of the product and not his personal vanity.
I like how well he's put over Wyatt, Styles and Owens. Even the manner of his loss to Lesnar. Putting them over is one thing but putting them over clean and ensuring they look strong is really classy.

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17 Feb 2017 17:54:41
It's nice to see in the moment, but it won't matter much if Bray just ends up losing to Orton.

I'll start celebrating people getting put over, when it starts happening in big matches at Mania.

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17 Feb 2017 20:34:13
Wow. A John Cena love-in. He is disappearing to Hollywood again and there was no question of him retaining. In fact, the WWE pushed through number 16 before he goes.
It would have made far more sense for Styles to retain at the Rumble and then for him to lose it at the Chamber.
I have no doubt that he will eventually beat Flair's record. Cena hasn't changed his spots overnight and I suspect he has only really become more popular the more they have pushed Reigns down our throats.

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17 Feb 2017 21:14:02
Randy Orton requested that he works with Bray and the whole Wyatt thing, so I'd be really surprised if he goes over at mania. If he does then that's all down to Vince. I personally think Bray will have that title for a long time.

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18 Feb 2017 08:19:37
Personally I hope Wyatt retains. From all the rumours I've read it seems like he will too. As others have said Orton requested to work with Wyatt as he recognised how stale his character had become.
He has also stated many times he prefers being a heel. So what if he somehow recruits Harper and Rowen and takes over the family turning Wyatt face.

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18 Feb 2017 19:56:02
Surely Wyatt has to retain at WM? It would be a huge mistake if Orton goes over. It's time for them to build Wyatt as a legit main event player. Give him a long and dominant reign and only have him drop it to your top face (which by that time should be AJ Styles)

I'd like to see Wyatt feud with Orton, Ambrose, Cena and even Harper. Give him a decent reign and then when it's time for a change give AJ a face run with the belt.

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18 Feb 2017 20:15:43
In fairness John cena comes across as a really nice guy and probably is, interesting fact he holds the record for make a wish foundation charity appearances (by a loooong distance as well) .

As for trying to break Hollywood fair enough! Has achieved everything in wrestling and perhaps the WWE is backing him as not only has he made them an unseen amount of money, but was purely off his hard work!

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18 Feb 2017 21:20:29
Sorry just double checked that stat. I was wrong. his done 500.

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15 Feb 2017 13:23:44
Follow the buzzards!! Smackdown showing raw how to book matches, waytt again winning against cena and styles, this time after entrance interference, put through a table and then pinning cena, took years in the making but has to be happy with that first title defence

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16 Feb 2017 09:57:03
He has always been a monster heel, but they gave him henchmen, so it naturally made him seem weak, being strong and on his own he could be the perfect opponent for white meat babyfaces.

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17 Feb 2017 20:38:45
I genuinely believe that RAW could be just as good if the cut the running time to the same as Smackdown.
At the moment there is more talking than fighting and it just drifts.
Owens is fun. Jericho is fun. Joe shows promise. The Shield could reform. There is a quality mid-card and if you like women's wrestling the big names are on RAW.
There are some promising storylines, but having to fill the current RAW format, everything is getting lost.

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15 Feb 2017 08:51:30
After seeing the results for Smackdown I think I may have been right. I said that Luke Harper would make his way in to the title match at mania and he has been given a great opportunity next week. i'm sure if Harper wins then Orton will put himself back into the match and make it a triple threat.

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15 Feb 2017 09:29:19
Interesting booking, I'm sure Rowan's return will surly be involved in all this.

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15 Feb 2017 12:34:44
That's an interesting thought. I don't want to ever wish injury on anyone but I am glad Rowan got injured. Harper was due to get thrown in the overcrowded mid card on RAW but he got put over to Smackdown to cover the Rowan injury. Now there is a chance he could main event mania.

Rowan is due back very soon. I wonder whether he may end up taking Harper's place on RAW or returns to Smackdown. Hell he could even be a surprise return next week.

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15 Feb 2017 15:21:20
I'd like to see Orton just stay with Wyatt and not take the shot. Show that he's actually committed and keep it going until next Mania. It'd also give them an out to have Orton retire Undertaker. Which would be an infinitely better idea than Reigns. Plus I'd rather see Wyatt face Ambrose, Cena, and/ or Styles.

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14 Feb 2017 23:06:34
Been seeing rumours floating around on twitter that HHH is planning a NXT invasion of RAW and Smackdown.

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15 Feb 2017 08:29:10
Most rumors are from June 2016 I've seen.

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14 Feb 2017 20:34:43
Dave Meltzer on Wrestling Observer has claimed that the WWE are building up to a mixed tag team match at Mania. Cena & Nikki Bella against The Miz & Maryse.
I hope not, but Meltzer is usually pretty reliable.

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14 Feb 2017 20:57:31
They are also still keeping up with the storyline berween Miz and DB, so maybe they'll still do something with that.

We're in line to potentially find out a lot about Mania plans tonight. Cena has his rematch and the IC title will probably get defended next week with it likely being announced tonight.

If they're going to do Wyatt vs Orton for the title. I think they should do Ambrose vs Cena vs Styles for the IC title. Keep Shane out or have him face HHH, give Miz a 1on1 win against DB's pick, and have Corbin defend his Andre trophy with Strowman being in the Battle Royal as well.

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14 Feb 2017 21:21:59
Maybe have Miz and Maryse have a pop at both Belllas pissing off both Cena and Beardo.
Cena is off filming after Mania, Bella is supposed to be resting and it would only confirm Miz as the best proper heel in the business if he were to beat them at Mania.
I suspect Miz will cost Cena in his match with Wyatt tonight setting up the feud properly.
I suspect it will be Ambrose/ Styles/ Corbin for the IC.
What with the matches between the part timers at Mania, I suspect we will have a very strong Andre match.

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14 Feb 2017 10:18:49
So after last nights RAW its clear that Owens Vs Jericho as we suspected is going ahead the only question is will it be for the universal championship. Without Jericho interfering I can't see them letting Owens win clean. The only thing I could see is Lesnar interfering and costing Goldberg the match but that wouldn't make sense. If Goldberg wins the match then Lesnar gets a title match at Mania so it would be in his interest for Goldberg to win. Owens Vs JEricho has been built really well and will be a great match and Lesnar Vs Goldberg based on history will be quick and will only feature Spears, Jackhammers, F5s and German Suplexs. I would use it as a pee break but i'm not sure I can Pee that quick. Owens Vs Jericho Deserves the Belt.

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14 Feb 2017 15:32:30
I reckon ko with join hhh and Samoa joe as new evolution. That's what hhh was telling him on raw.

Just guess work but would be sense. Setting up a future shield v evolution match.

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14 Feb 2017 16:06:10
Lesnar would make sense even if it were him just wanting to stop Goldberg from achieving a major goal. Lesnar can go after the title when he wants. Goldberg may only have that one opportunity.

There was also the secret meeting between KO and HHH, that might lead to other outside interference. Trips loves to put himself over WCW guys so I wouldn't rule him, Joe, or an addition to the Phat Boyz (Or whatever they'll be called) interfering in the match.

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14 Feb 2017 16:53:51
What is win of Jericho vs Owens for the title?

A Chris Jericho title run? A boost to Owens?

I don't think it needs the title?

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14 Feb 2017 20:16:50
That's not a bad call about a possible Shield/ Authority type rivalry.
Joe is already in Reign's face and it looked like HHH was calling in the favour on Owens.
After Mania, when Reigns has faced Taker and Owens puts Jericho out while he goes on tour with Fozzy, I can see this being the main RAW rivalry.
KO's turn on Jericho was majestic. Well timed, and even though we all knew it would happen, it was fantastic. The look on KO's face, the I really don't want to do this but I;m going to do it anyway, was priceless.
Joe and a new evil KO would make a truly vicious pair and I can't wait.

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14 Feb 2017 21:59:46
Yeah I agree coys, would love roode to join as well.
Roode, ko, joe vrs shield would be epic.
Don't know how they would induct Roode in though so can't see that happening.

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14 Feb 2017 22:50:19
I'd like to see each Shield member having their own group that they just can't get rid of. Styles is rumored to be going to RAW after Mania. Have Rollins feud with Re-Evolution, Reigns restart his feud with the Club (Balor helps him out at first but turns and joins the Club), and Ambrose re-ignites his feud with the Wyatt Family on SD. With the Club being able to be 6 deep by next summer, I'd also have each group get to that size for the ultimate payoff.

*Club - Balor, Cole, G&A, Omega, and Styles.
*Re-Evolution - AoP, HHH, Joe, KO, and Orton.
*Wyatt Family - Aleister Black (Tommy End), Bo, Bray, Harper, Killian Dain (Big Damo), and Rowan.
*Shield - Ambrose/ Reigns/ Rollins with 'Shield: The next Generation. ' - Tian Bing, Patrick Clark, and Pete Dunne.

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15 Feb 2017 20:36:05
Love it jables but never going to be that many factions with mutiple members as much as we would love it.
Wwe to worried about image and not promoting gang warfare lol.

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14 Feb 2017 09:58:03
A bit random and really outside the box but rumour has it that Nikki Bella will retire at Wrestlemania. I wonder if they could have a massive swerve which would see Cena retire too. That would make sense why they rushed Cena in for his landmark title run. Maybe he is looking to do more acting and maybe start a family. Who knows. I'm just trying to make sense of the short title reign.

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14 Feb 2017 10:06:30
Cena won't retire, he might go away, but if he vanished to Hollywood for 5 years he'd be massive when he came back.

If Nicki is retiring it would make more sense this rumour about her and Cena teaming at Mania, so 1) she gets on the card, and 2) her last match would involve her man.

It could be something special if big match John proposed after the match after they've spent the last year having Carmella and Natty saying he won't marry her.

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14 Feb 2017 11:46:16
she isn't retiring, just taking a break due to her neck. shes said she'll be back.

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14 Feb 2017 16:24:38
It looks more like she'll become the female Lesnar and mostly just work the big 4. With Cena, he'll probably try to keep it so he can be around for the Road to Wrestlemania, and SummerSlam.

Cena is getting his rematch tonight, so his Mania plans could become pretty clear.

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14 Feb 2017 09:14:17
Cena has a title match tonight. I hope taker interferes saying he doesn't deserve no 17. and his last reign was worthless. Cena vs taker at mania in a future title shot (if he loses he can never go for 17)/ retirement match.

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14 Feb 2017 10:07:57
I think we are heading toward Taker vs Roman am afraid.

Perhaps the Miz will get involved?

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14 Feb 2017 10:30:32
I agree Bessex just wishful thinking on my part, really don't want to see roman vs taker, don't want to see Brock vs Goldberg (especially for the title) Owens vs Jericho and the intercontinental match are the only saving grace!

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13 Feb 2017 10:09:56
Im really glad Wyatt finally go his moment. I think he deserves it and to pin both Cena and Styles was a massive boost to him. i'm just annoyed WWE wasted a great pop on one of the most obvious winners.

It would have been great if Cena never got involved in the title picture. We could have had a 1st time Orton vs Styles rivalry ending with Orton winning the belt at the Rumble and Bray winning the Rumble. Orton defends at the elimination chamber and then Wyatt wins the belt in the main event of Wrestlemania.

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13 Feb 2017 11:37:52
Agreed, great for Bray to get his hands on the gold, and head in to a featured top match at Wrestlemania.

It does seem like a total waste to have had Cena beat Aj for such a nominal 16th run, I bodged ending at the Rumble and Aj droppig the title directly to Bray in EC wouldn't have hurt anyone and kept a few fuds alive.

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13 Feb 2017 11:43:13
If AJ Lost the belt at EC he would of come out looking better as he was against the odds against 5 other men and started at number 1.

It also seems such a waste for Cena to get the landmark title to only lose it 2 weeks later.

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13 Feb 2017 12:38:09
Got to agree with the consensus, I can't fathom the thinking behind Cena's 16th reign, other than maybe it sets up number 17 for SummerSlam. Guess they wanted him to tie the record early this year to set up him breaking it in the summer. RR makes most sense that way as he is off after WM so couldn't win it there.
I'm delighted for Bray fully deserves his push I've been a fan since he debuted the character. Also looks like management are behind him too as he was booked strongly, pinning the current and previous champ clean. Hope he retains at WM.

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13 Feb 2017 13:42:58
Got to disagree bray is a decent wrestler at best and is a long way behind the two great wrestlers in the chamber aj and cena, he will never have and has never came close to a match like they had at survivor series after all this is world WRESTLING entertainment not world PROMO entertainment , aj has been treated extremely shoddily.

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13 Feb 2017 19:18:43
I'm happy for Bray. The next few weeks of SD should be interesting with it still being possible for a lot of things to happen. Still hoping for a few curve balls because it's too soon to do Ambrose vs Corbin, it's way too late to do Shane vs Styles, and the only place there should ever be a Miz and Maryse vs Cena and Nikki mixed tag match is on a show like tribute to the troops.

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13 Feb 2017 20:26:57
The fact that we are just talking about Bray winning (and I am pleased he did) covers up the lack of excitement in the rest of the card. I won't comment on the women's matches as my views have been aired on numerous occasions save to say they were average at best.
I fail to see the point of Ziggler/ Crews/ Kalisto. Nobody came out on top and it really should have been a pre-show match if it had to be made at all.
All my worse fears were proven in the tag team match. The writers just don't take it seriously. Instead of a potential rivalry if the Usos had won, we just have Alpha. No point at all with the Vaudevillains and the Ascension couldn't beat a knocked down team. Don't get me started on Rhino/ Slater or Breezango. 4 teams of jobbers.
I am glad Harper had a good showing and also that we won't have another Cena/ Orton at Mania.
What this PPV has shown that with all the top players *except Orton) in the Chamber match, the mid card is not quite strong enough, The opposite is the case on RAW.

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13 Feb 2017 22:44:33
Precious sadly it's SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT to Vince not pro wrestling.

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13 Feb 2017 23:49:12
I thought Elimination Chamber was pretty decent. The tag match was booked terribly but wasn't a bad match. All the women's matches were solid and got good crowd reactions. Orton V Harper was a hell of a match and the Main event was solid. Moving forward to Mania I can't see much for AJ other than being shoved into the IC Title picture. The rest of the card seems fairly set.

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13 Feb 2017 23:59:15
There's rumored to be a draft taking place in May, which I would assume would be a lottery like they did during the first split. The stuff that happens on tv usually feature bigger names moving, but they usually had a week or something to make trades to move around lesser talent. For people in that category, I think they're just going to wait until after the draft to even attempt to do anything with them.

I think there's several guys on SD that could get built up to be solid to upper mid-carders, but they'll wait and hope to get some of the under-utilised RAW mid-carders come draft time.

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13 Feb 2017 23:49:12
I thought Elimination Chamber was pretty decent. The tag match was booked terribly but wasn't a bad match. All the women's matches were solid and got good crowd reactions. Orton V Harper was a hell of a match and the Main event was solid. Moving forward to Mania I can't see much for AJ other than being shoved into the IC Title picture. The rest of the card seems fairly set.

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13 Feb 2017 23:59:15
There's rumored to be a draft taking place in May, which I would assume would be a lottery like they did during the first split. The stuff that happens on tv usually feature bigger names moving, but they usually had a week or something to make trades to move around lesser talent. For people in that category, I think they're just going to wait until after the draft to even attempt to do anything with them.

I think there's several guys on SD that could get built up to be solid to upper mid-carders, but they'll wait and hope to get some of the under-utilised RAW mid-carders come draft time.

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12 Feb 2017 18:49:52
Does anyone else watch 205 for me personally I love it I would love to see a money in the bank kind of watch the high spots would be amazing.

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12 Feb 2017 21:35:32
I usually watch it and NXT together when I have free time between Thursday and Saturday.

The thing that I think they really need to do is to have non CWs make guest appearances on 205 live, and then let the CWs make occasional appearances on both RAW and Smackdown. There's several guys on both RAW and SD that have history with a bunch of the CWs. There are also guys that don't have the history, but would likely be able to have some good matches and/ or do something entertaining.

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13 Feb 2017 11:40:19
I think the cruiserweights and NXT could feature more prominently on each others shows, after all matches only need to have two cruiserweights if its for the title.

FYI is anyone having Neville as under 205? I know he is short, but he is stacked.

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13 Feb 2017 22:36:42
Neville has always been around 205 even when he was pac.

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13 Feb 2017 23:37:47
I remember they had Neville listed under 200 early on. As that was part of the story as to how he got the title match on RAW against Rollins. If they do change the wrestlers weight it's usually for storyline purposes and less about keeping accurate to semi-accurate numbers.

With the rate WWE is bringing in talent, they need less side shows and more time to showcase what they have.

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11 Feb 2017 18:16:31
Brock Lesnar returned to the WWE on RAW the night after Wrestlemania 28 in 2012. Dean Ambrose was also there that night, wrestling a pre-show dark match.

Since that night, Lesnar has wrestled 30 matches. Ambrose has wrestled 881 matches.

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11 Feb 2017 22:00:03
Lol those figures are crazy! Ambrose is a warrior!

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12 Feb 2017 23:20:20
Brock has still probably won more matches than ambrosia since then .

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13 Feb 2017 05:30:48
I don't recall the drink of the Greek Gods ever getting a victory in WWE, so you're probably right. It did beat Jeff Jarrett for the WCW title back in the day though, if I remember correctly.

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13 Feb 2017 11:41:25
I suspect Brock has probably made 10 times Dean's money as well.

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11 Feb 2017 05:10:38
If you weren't already excited for the Elimination Chamber ppv, you will be now because it was just announced that it'll be Mojo Rawley vs Curt Hawkins on the pre-show. A match that will undoubtedly be at least 7 stars.

Seriously though. If this is going to be the only pre-show match, They've got 6 matches to fit in about an hour and a half or less. I know Nikki is having problems with her neck and it's being reported that Mania will be her retirement match or she'll try to get a Lesnar like deal where she'll mostly only wrestle at the big events. (I know, yay we might be getting female part-timers too. ) So whatever they do with those two should be pretty quick. The Ziggler match I imagine, will mostly be about revealing a new partner in crime for Ziggler. So that should be pretty quick. It'd be nice to see the tag teams get some time, and I'd definitely like to see Harper and Orton go for a good amount to give Harper a chance to shine.

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11 Feb 2017 12:06:44
Predictions
Wyatt to win Chamber match
Orton to beat Harper
Alexa to retain
Mickie James to win dirty
Nikki Bella to win
Usos to win tag team turmoil to set up match with American Alpha (and maybe some others) for WM.

And most importantly Mojo to beat Hawkins in a 5 star classic.

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11 Feb 2017 14:54:37
Can't argue with any of those predictions. I particularly want the Usos to win. A decent, proper tag team that have been underused since the heel turn.
I love tag team wrestling and the current state of it breaks my heart. Let the Usos win, have a rivalry with another potentially decent team in American Alpha. Maybe let Harper team up with Rowan. Invite someone like the Revival to join the party. Bring Anderson and Gallows across and you would have a promising new division.
Don't let individuals who team up for one off matches defeat established tag teams, leave that for RAW where you can have the comedy with New Day, Cesaro and Sheamus and Cass and Amore.

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11 Feb 2017 16:19:47
My cardboard cut-out predictions.

EC match: Cena retains but loses the title after. When Edge cashes in his MitB.
Harper vs Orton: Cody Rhode's Moustache.
Tag Team Turmoil: Tazz and Spike Dudley.
Naomi vs Alexa: Santina.
Mickie vs Becky: Katie Vick.
Nikki vs Natalya: Snooki.
Ziggler vs Kalisto and Crews: Manotaur.
Mojo vs Hawkins: Tripp Bradshaw.

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10 Feb 2017 20:46:17
How long will the Owens/Goldberg match last?
Goldberg hasn't had a proper match in years and I cannot see him being fit enough to last a long match.
Unless Goldberg is allowed another squash, then KO is in for a long night as he will have to carry his opponent for long periods.
I just cannot see this being a good match and I just hope that they let Owens retain.

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10 Feb 2017 21:29:43
There could/ should be a fair amount of shennaigans, unless we get another FU to the fans and it basically ends up being a Goldberg vs Hugh Morris match.

Jericho should be around to distract, Mick and/ or Steph will probably stick their nose in at some point. KO will hopefully chickenshit heel it up and make Goldberg chase after him.

It's a Goldberg match, of course it's not going to be a good match. My only hope is that Lesnar costs him the match, just to be a dick or for whatever inexplicable reason they want to let Heyman come up with.

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11 Feb 2017 12:03:04
It will be a poor match despite Owens best efforts and there is 0 chance that Owens will retain IMO. I expect a semi squash with maybe 1 or 2 pieces of offense for KO. Goldberg to win with ease to set up a title match with Lesnar. Y2J to try and comfort KO after the match and KO to attack him viciously to set up their match for Mania.

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11 Feb 2017 14:43:51
Have to agree with you Monkeyman. Much as I want Owens to retain and the fact that a title isn't needed for Goldberg's match with Lesnar, I fear that part of Goldberg's contract to come back was to allow him to win the title.
Like Jables. I hate the importance being placed on the part timers. It has Vince written all over it. Don't take a risk and rely on names the public, not the wrestling fans but the general public, recognise.
Long ago, Vince was a risk taker because he had to be, but now he is sitting in his comfy chair in Stamford refusing to rock the boat.

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13 Feb 2017 11:43:59
After listening to Tony Schevonie's podcast on Goldberg I was stunned by how short his matches have always been.

When he beat Hogan for the title on Nitro it only lasted something daft like 8 minutes.

I don't know if he ever went more than 15.

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09 Feb 2017 23:42:56
Does anything agree with me that Jericho actually deserves the goat. For longevity championships won talent faced reinventing himself talent put over history made awesome in ring and on mic. Comedy or serious the guy is gold

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10 Feb 2017 10:04:32
He is great, but I am still a HBK guy at heart.

I can't think what Jericho could do to make me say he has been better than Shawn.

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10 Feb 2017 10:41:09
I would say he derserves more then just a goat, at least a cow and a sheep as well.

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10 Feb 2017 13:57:03
I think the best friends with Owens has just about run it's course.
It has been hilarious at times and has been the shining light on usually dreary RAW shows, but enough is enough.
I know everyone is expecting it to end with a match between the 2 at Mania and that they both thoroughly deserve this. Jericho will disappear on tour and hopefully we will get the fight Owens fight back.
Even though Owens has been Universal champ, it is Jericho who has got the most out of this.
No criticism at all for this chapter. I have really enjoyed it.
What I don't want though is Owens to lose to Oldberg. We don't need a part time champ.

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10 Feb 2017 19:11:22
I've never been a fan of trying to bestow G. O. A. T. on anyone in any sport/ entertainment with a long history. Things change too much to have any fair basis of comparison.

I was born about five months before the first Wrestlemania. I would say that Jericho is one of the 5 best overall, in my lifetime.

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11 Feb 2017 06:16:01
Just based on matches at the big ppvs Shawn Michaels edges it but for longevity , mike skills, ability to reinvent , a more 3 dimensional character , transferable skills , willingness to put people over, willingness to help young talent and loyalty ( don't remember y2j having any wellness policy violation's or losing his smile 😊) then it's Jericho for me, all day long .

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13 Feb 2017 11:46:15
I think I still believed when HBK was in his pomp, I look at Wrestling to surgically now to appreciate the feels.

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09 Feb 2017 19:10:37
Rumour is wwe could book neville vs Austin aries for wm. good match imo could ignite the devision

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09 Feb 2017 22:44:11
It makes me hate the old/ part-timers being around even more. Imo they're 2 of about 20 or so guys within WWE. That if they had the time and freedom Omega/ Okada got, they could out do them.

There's going to be so much going on at Mania, I don't know how it's going to be anything more than a 10 minute match, unless they're going to go even longer than last year. And including the pre-show, last year's went almost 8 hours.

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09 Feb 2017 23:03:37
Yeah if they're going to do a Cruiser weight match at WM (which seems very likely) Then Neville v Aries is about the best they can put on. I'd imagine Aries will be face. I hope they let him keep his cockiness.

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10 Feb 2017 10:06:14
I can't get excited about Aries vs Neville.

I would have got most the division in a multiman spot monkey spot off.

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10 Feb 2017 14:32:35
You shouldn't encourage their spot munkey adeection!

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10 Feb 2017 19:27:32
I'd be excited about an Aries vs Neville match if it was one of the 6 or 7 matches on the TakeOver card, where they would have time and some more freedom.

My first thought when I heard about their match was, does this mean that they're going to have a clusterF "showcase" tag match or something for some of the other CWs or are they just going to put a bunch of them in in the Andre battle royal? They going to try and have a 50 man battle royal this year?

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08 Feb 2017 23:21:22
Been busy the last few days so just catching up with RAW now. When Goldberg put his name on the list I was so hoping KO or Y2J would say "Er, there's a G in Goldberg" ;-)

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09 Feb 2017 17:04:16
I get the feeling that there are a lot of wrestlers that wish they could say a lot of things to the old/ part-timers, especially the ones on RAW.

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10 Feb 2017 10:07:42
Did you see Owens tweet the WWE about a photo they'd made Goldberg's grey beard dark with photoshop. Top Bants.

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10 Feb 2017 14:33:23
Don't see the tweet but I noticed myself. Was very obvious! He looks OK with a bit if grey IMO. Not sure why they changed it.

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08 Feb 2017 17:12:05
Elimination Chamber card,

*EC WWE title match: Ambrose vs Cena (c) vs Corbin vs Miz vs Styles vs Wyatt.
*Harper vs Orton
*Tag team turmoil title match: Alphas (c), Ascension, Breezeango, Rhyno and Slater, Usos, and VaudeVillians.
*SD Womens title match: Bliss (c) vs Naomi
*Lynch vs James
*Nikki vs Natalya? (Match made, possible injury angle)
*Ziggler vs Crews and Kalisto

Side note: Rowan is down at the Performance Center at Full Sail in hopes of getting cleared to return. Meaning he could factor in at EC or soon after.

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09 Feb 2017 11:24:25
I know I will receive flack for this, but 3 women's matches on the PPV? I have said in the past that I have little or no interest in women's wrestling, but surely all the 'big' names are on RAW and what we have now is just to pad out the show.

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09 Feb 2017 12:34:36
I agree that 3 women's matches seems like a lot. They should have done the tag match or the Women's Title match as an Elimination Chamber match and cut back on a few filler matches.

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09 Feb 2017 13:19:42
The thing is all thee women's matches have been built up well

So I'll allow it.

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09 Feb 2017 14:31:35
A couple of the matches will likely end up on the pre-show. Nikki/ Natalya and the Ziggler match are probably the most likely. I also can't imagine Bliss vs Naomi will be anything more than a 7-10 minute match.

I'm nervously excited for the Chamber match. It's probably the determining factor of whether I'll stay on the road to Wrestlemania or be looking for the off-ramp.

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09 Feb 2017 23:08:56
I'll give you that Bessex. All 3 have been built up a fair bit so it's not crazy having them on there. It just feels like a lot, but as Jables has said, one of them could be pushed down to the present show. I think it could be a good PPV. The Chamber match is one of my favourite gimmick matches (the Chamber and MITB are my top 2) and I think Orton V Harper could be a really good match. The women's matches should be OK and Becky v Mickie James could be a really good match.

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10 Feb 2017 10:09:15
I feel like they are making stars out of some of the women now. The matches still are not as good, but the hype is at a similar level.

They are getting good exposure on SD.

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10 Feb 2017 14:39:55
On RAW Charlotte has been a great heel champ IMO. Bayley is doing well since coming to the roster and Sasha Banks always puts in good matches (even though her character annoys me, as does Bayley but not as much) Nia is good as a dominant powerhouse

On Smackdown Alexa has been the standout performer IMO. She's the best on the mic and her facial expressions are great. She's getting better in the ring as well. Mickie James v Becky should he a good feud. Nikki is a good and reliable performer, Naomi is athletic as hell and Natty won't let anyone down.

The women's scene on Smackdown is a lot better than I thought it would. be after the brand split.

As you say Bessex they've got some very good women on the roster now and they're giving them a bit of freedom to a how what they can do. There's still some stuff that's terrible (Emmalina, Alicia Fox) but mostly the women are a lot better than they were 2-3 years ago.

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11 Feb 2017 06:20:45
To be honest I'd be happy if Alexa bliss just came out and posed for 7-10 minutes 😏.

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08 Feb 2017 12:33:46
I hope everyone is either sitting down or holding onto something, because.The Ascension actually won a match!
I can't remember the last time this happened. I know they had help, but still.

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08 Feb 2017 16:45:55
With the VaudeVillians being on the winning team as well, I don't think there are any teams with a long losing streak anymore. They'll have to put Hawkins and Swagger together or something.

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09 Feb 2017 08:39:43
I'm happy. Smackdown could do with a big dominating tag team. Someone to beat the odds against. A bit like the Ascension were in NXT.

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10 Feb 2017 10:10:11
They've killed the Ascension, they can't ever battle back.

They are enhancement talent.

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07 Feb 2017 16:16:08
If you could make a wrestlemania card of one past and one current WWE/WWF superstar what would they be? ( undertaker is considered as current)

Id go .

Mr perfect VS AJ Styles

Bret Hart VS Seth Rollins

American Alpha VS The Steiner Brothers

The MIZ Vs rick Rude (IC TITLE)

Ambrose vs Mankind (HARDCORE RULES)

Charlotte Flair VS Chyna (WOMENS TITLE)

Undertaker VS Sting (Nobody else)

HBK Vs Nakumura


Finn Balor VS Jake the snake

Baron Corbin VS Rey Mysterio

John Cena VS Hulk Hogan (WORLD TITLE)


tried getting a mix of styles going.

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07 Feb 2017 19:54:27
Aj styles vs benoit wwe title
Neville vs Eddie Guererro ic title
Kevin Owens vs Stone cold Steve austin
Taker vs sting
American alpha vs the hardys tag title
Ambrose vs cactus jack hardcore title.
Zayn vs Dean Malenko us title
Somoa Joe vs the rock
Nakamura vs Kurt angle
Jericho vs brer hart.

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07 Feb 2017 20:18:44
Haggis why have you got AJ against a figment of our imagination. He doesn't exist.

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07 Feb 2017 20:20:10
Ric Flair vs Styles
Bret Hart vs Ambrose
HBK vs Rollins
Eddie Guerrero vs Nakamura
Chris Benoit vs Samoa Joe
CM Punk vs Owens
Kurt Angle vs Cesaro
Randy Savage vs Zayn
Mankind vs Balor
The Rock vs Wyatt
Stone Cold vs Miz
Dusty Rhodes vs Rusev
Dean Malenko vs Gargano
Edge and Christian vs The Revival
Lita vs Becky Lynch.

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07 Feb 2017 21:01:17
Haha would be a top top match had he ever existed.

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08 Feb 2017 12:14:59
completely forgot about punk.

id have him go against balor, jake the snake against bray!

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08 Feb 2017 16:58:33
I would of put Daniel Bryan in one, but he's already wrestled everyone I care about. Punk isn't too far off but he left ROH right before KO got there.

I also forgot to change Mankind to Sting.

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08 Feb 2017 21:31:42
Bret Hart V Kurt Angle (classing him as current due to maybe one more match for HOF entry, and I think it be awesome)

Macho Man V Seth Rollins

Rick Flair V Styles

Andre V Strowman

Crow Sting V Taker

Surfer Sting V Jericho

Austin V Ambrose

Vader V Reigns

Benoit V Owens

Jake the Snake V Orton

The Rock V Corbin

Punk V Bobby Roode

Owen Hart V Cesaro

Rick Rude V Austin Aries

Bulldog V Sheamus

Bam Bam Bigelow V Harper

Backlund V Lesnar

Bruiser Brody V Wyatt

Colin Delany V James Elsworth.

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09 Feb 2017 09:13:08
bam bam vs harper now that would be special!

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07 Feb 2017 10:04:26
didn't like it all that the distraction from strowman helped joe with the win.
it was his first match on the main roster and after him looking strong when he attacked rollins they should have just had joe win convincingly with strowman coming down after that and no doubt at fast lane reigns will probably kick out 2 or 3 of strowmans finishers, hit 1 superman punch and a spear and win.

i also really hope that lesnar costs goldberg the match at fastlane because as much as I don;t want to see them split I would rather see ko vs jericho for the title at mania.
then you can lesnar or fin balor in a feud with ki up until summerslam


anyone agree?

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07 Feb 2017 11:38:31
They couldn't let Reigns lose clean. They have had him beat two on ones, ignore being hit with brass knuckles and knock Strowman off his feet. At the moment, they are building him up so much that if he was hit by a bus he would get up and superman punch the driver. We should really count ourselves lucky that Joe was allowed to win at all.
I really hate the way they are selling Reigns at the moment. Make him even more indestructible than Cena. Is he a face, no. Is he a heel, no. He is THE BIG DOG. Please, please stop calling him that. Now the ring is his yard. It took years for the Undertaker to earn that and now all that has to happen is for Cole to bestow the title on Reigns.
The WWE have got to suck it up and turn him heel. Proper dark heel. He would never be more popular if this happened.

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07 Feb 2017 12:52:02
That seems to be the one big difference between WWE and NXT. NXT make people look powerful such as the Authors Of Pain, Nakamura, Joe ect but they are all at least Human and have weaknesses that make them believably beatable. Reigns is being pushed so hard that you no longer come into a PPV thinking will he lose we now come in thinking will Vince let him lose.

I have noticed over the past year that more people are liking Cena now including myself because we are no longer seeing him beating everyone no question. He has taken losses and he's not being pushed so hard all the time which is why he seems to be more accepted.

I think a heel Reigns would work as eventually the face always comes out on top. I think Reigns is being booed so hard now because he is getting the face happy ending when no one wants him to. If Reigns went up against Zayn and destroyed him a few times and then Zayn finally comes out on top that would work best for everyone.

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07 Feb 2017 13:06:19
Got to agree the SuperReigns is depressingly bad to watch. But clearly the company are intent on him becoming the face of the WWE so it will not end anytime soon. Nor will they turn him heel anytime soon. I feel the whole 'it's my yard' thing is part of the build up to a showdown with Taker at WM. Which unfortunately I think will see Reigns take ownership of the 'yard' by defeating Taker.

Like a few of you I am also warming to Cena more in the last 2 years than at any point in the last 12. The reasons are that firstly he is not on TV as much so it feels like a meaningful when he is. Secondly he is now at the veteran giving back stage and has put over new guys willing recently. For me the turning point was SummerSlam against Lesnar where he willing put Lesnar over as a beast. Thankfully it signaled the end of that Big Match John nonsense of Cole.

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07 Feb 2017 14:05:05
I suppose we need to admit that we are not the target audience for them. WWE know that kids are the ones who love Reigns and that are going to hassle their parents for loads of Reigns merch. That's why I doubt they will turn him heel any day soon. Same as Cena for the past 5 - 10 years.

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07 Feb 2017 22:19:00
Reigns is already the antagonist for the vast majority of the audience. He doesn't need to turn "heel" because he already is the top heel in the company. WWE just needs to start doing a better job of creating/ executing things for his peers and stop giving all the big moments to him or the old/ part-timers.

I was fine with the Joe/ Reigns match. It's Mania season, the only people that usually lose clean don't end up doing much if anything at Mania.

At this point I'm just hoping Undertaker and Goldberg retire at Mania. With Show, Kane, and Henry as well.

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06 Feb 2017 10:01:54
More Wrestlemania moaning from me, sorry :) . I Just don't see how 2 of the big matches will work the way I think WWE are planning it. Goldberg is the face in the feud against Lesnar but if he takes the belt from Owens at Fastlane then I think he will be booed out of the building. Most fans hate the part timers having the belt, they don't need it. Plus Lesnar Vs Goldberg does not need a belt to give it hype and if the Universal title match at Mania is less than 10 minutes like the previous Lesnar Vs Goldberg matches I think they will have wasted a great match. Also if Lesnar leaves Mania with the belt are we not going to see him until Summerslam again. i'd much rather see Owens Vs Jericho.

Reigns vs Taker is just a cluster****. If they think Reigns will gain anything from this apart from more hate then they are very mistaken. I'm sure Vince will try and Push Reigns in as a face and Taker a Heel which just won't work as fans will still boo reigns and cheer Taker. There are so many top wrestlers who really have a desire for this business who would give their left nut to face Taker at mania and i'm just annoyed that they would gift another massive moment to Reigns.

If I could write it myself I would have Reigns go up against Samoa Joe now to get retribution for Seth Rollins.

I would also add Taker to the Lesnar Goldberg match as with 3 of them in there they will have a chance to have a break every now and again and hit some big moves and still let the match last a little longer.

Sorry for the moan its just Monday morning and i'm annoyed at the world :)

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06 Feb 2017 12:30:46
Agree with you Luket. I have said that Goldberg/ Lesnar doesn't need a belt and I am struggling to see a match I am looking forward to at Mania.
Reigns/ Taker, Goldberg/ Lesnar, Show/ Shaq? / . if he makes it, Rollins/ HHH, any match involving Charlotte, 2nd rate tag teams. None of these appeal to me in the least.
I really hope they save it with Owens/ Jericho, Orton/ Wyatt and maybe Cena. And they must have Styles involved, probably against Miz.
Mind you, I am always depressed by a proposed Mania card, but always end up enjoying it.

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06 Feb 2017 12:57:00
I've watched NJPW the last few years and they like to put the best vs the best for their main shows but it seems like WWE just doesn't want to do that. Cena Vs Styles, Jericho Vs Owens, Joe Vs Styles, Nakamura Vs Styles, Owens Vs Zayn, Balor Vs Joe are some great matches that people would look forward to. The Biggest shame for me is the one match I was looking forward to now may not happen due to the Rollins injury. Hopefully we can see Zayn, Balor, Joe and Styles all work there way into decent matches rather than just being shoved in somewhere. I like the idea of Wyatt being in the main event but i'm not over keen on Orton. I would have preferred to see Styles vs Wyatt at mania. I'm against Show Vs Shaq too. There are so many deserving hard workers who would love to be on that card that probably won't get a chance.

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06 Feb 2017 19:06:46
Assuming Rollins and Balor can't go, I'd do.

*Ambrose (c) vs Cena, WWE title match. (Quest to prove he's the best vs Quest for #17)
*Goldberg vs Lesnar. (Loser retires. )
*KO (c) vs Jericho (c) vs Joe vs Zayn. 2 falls match for the US and Universal titles.
*Undertaker[representing Vince again] and Bray Wyatt vs HHH and Orton vs Shane and Harper. (Families at war. )
*Styles vs Nakamura.
*Strowman vs Reigns.
*Miz w/ Maryse vs Dillinger w/ Daniel Bryan. (If Dillinger wins, Miz leaves Smackdown, If Miz wins, DB has to leave. )
*Corbin's IC title open challenge. (Answered by Cesaro and Sheamus. )
*RAW womens title match.
*SD womens title match.

Pre-Show.
*Andre Battle Royal featuring Shaq and Big Show.
*RAW tag champs vs SD tag champs.
*Cruiserweight title Ladder match.
*"Special" womens tag match.

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06 Feb 2017 08:56:26
I was at icw square go in newcastle last night. Ricochet vs kenny Williams was amazing, stole the show. Trent seven vs Wolfgang was also unbelievable. Piledriver off the top rope, wow.

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