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04 Aug 2015 13:36:41
Best Raw in a long while for me. Only bit I skipped was Barrett match. Why can't they provide this quality every week.

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04 Aug 2015 17:37:53
Because it won't be long before it becomes the John Cena show again.

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04 Aug 2015 00:21:13
Rumour has it both batista and bayley are going to be at raw. Batista could be facing rollins at ss

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04 Aug 2015 09:41:32
It would appear not.

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04 Aug 2015 00:03:13
Does anyone else think wwe needs a guy like CM Punk? A guy who doesn't give a crap and says what he wants, I just watched the video of him sitting on the ramp and saying WWE would be better off with Vince dead. Not only was he one of the best on the mike he was a really good wrestler.

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04 Aug 2015 09:43:04
I feel like there is a roll like that for Damian Sandow. The guy must have a legitimate gripe with the idea that everytime he gets some momentum he gets shut down.

I'd love to see him come out and vent.

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04 Aug 2015 21:29:47
I agree, it's a shame what they're doing to him, I thought his whole mocking people thing was hilarious.

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02 Aug 2015 20:30:43
Not sure if its already been mentioned recently but there are strong rumours about the third Wyatt family member being none other than Leo Kruger. This could be revealed either tomorrow or next week on Raw. The the week after you'll see Bray, Leo & Harper beating down Reigns & Ambrose where Sting will come down for the save setting up the 6 man tag for Summerslam.
I really hope these reports are true.

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02 Aug 2015 21:34:42
It is unreal how much better the Leo Kruger character is then the Adam Rose one. Some of his promos were creepy as sh*t.

I only hope that if they do this that the fans give it a chance. Knowing the fans that go to WWE shows they will chant Adam Rose at him, as if it is some achievement knowing that it is the same person.

Ta ta

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02 Aug 2015 23:20:22
Rose hinted on social media that he could be getting a gimmick change. That led people to believe it was his Leo Kruger character. They then took it to the next step and speculated he would be the new Wyatt member.

He worked shows this weekend with Brad Maddox, using a "fitness" gimmick. They teamed against Sandow and Axel. All four are in between gimmicks at the moment and even when the gimmicks are figured out, appear to be destined to be comedy acts.

There have been recent rumblings that Sting may not be a part of the tag match and his involvement in SummerSlam all together is in question. Cena's injury has also put his participation in doubt, as he's expected to be out at least two weeks and possibly longer.

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03 Aug 2015 00:04:40
I'd love Cena to miss Summerslam but it ain't going to happen. Daniel Bryan has supposedly been cleared for weeks or possibly even a month or two by his doctors & neurologists but wwe won't let him return. He could easily face Seth at summerslam with no story needed. I bet Cena will still be allowed to wrestle against doctors orders.

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03 Aug 2015 01:20:27
Daniel Bryan is expected to be back by the end of the year. They're trying to be cautious about his return. Like I've been saying. Don't be surprised if when he comes back, he ends up teaming with Kane.

The WWE hasn't really said anything about Cena's condition, they have just removed him from the next two weeks of events. So it's still unknown how bad it might be. History has taught us that Cena usually finds a way but if he's having breathing problems or he still looks like he's auditioning for the lead role in the remake of the movie 'Mask.' There might be no other choice then to keep him out.

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03 Aug 2015 08:26:02
I hope Cena misses Summerslam or gets knocked down the card, highly doubt it though. If on the go home show, they announced Cena will not be fit to face Rollins and they are going to either give him the night off or another opponent. Then Bryan comes down demanding his contracted rematch clause, i'd be extremely happy with that. He doesn't need to win the match or anything, but the match him and Rollins would put on compared to Cena and Rollins would be much better.

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03 Aug 2015 10:45:58
I read that Madoxx and Rose are working a new Rick Rude team gimmick.

Kruger returning as an African game hunter could be hugely over right now. I see a titantron video of him posing over the corpse of dead big cats and endangered animals.

I wouldn't miss Cena at Summerslam, anyone could have a decent match with Seth, the easy one even if it is a little rushed would be to see HHH step in and put him over.

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03 Aug 2015 13:42:38
Does Cenas next title win equal or break Flairs record?. If it is just to equal then I could maybe see a Cena win then a Sheamus cash in. My ideal scenario would be, Cena can't do the match and HHH tells him he has the next best thing, out comes Kevin Owens. Or Cesaro would be an equally fitting opponent.

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03 Aug 2015 18:22:26
Rose and Maddux are calling themselves 'Beef Mode.' It's a fitness gimmick and they are playing off of Rick Rude's gimmick where he would berate anyone and everyone for not being in shape like he was.
Cena's next title reign would equal Flair's number of reigns.

Ryback's knee is looking pretty bad, so he could be another one that might not make it to SummerSlam.

Maybe we'll get lucky with all these injuries and they'll make the expected Cesaro vs Owens SummerSlam match an Iron Man Match. Even with that, they would still have three hours and a pre-show to fill. They also want to do four hours the night before with NXT.(Dark matches, tv taping, and the special.)

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03 Aug 2015 22:34:00
Am sure it equals it mate but have to say it's a given that he will break that anyway Vince will make sure of that!Different era where the title is chucked about like confetti at a wedding nobody will actually care

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04 Aug 2015 09:45:19
I don't see Cena winning at Summerslam.

I won't be surprised if he breaks Flairs record, but I expect it to be very late in his career.

{Ed008's Note - Cena will win at Summerslam I think it's pretty obvious to the fans.

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04 Aug 2015 11:31:13
I don't see the advantage to having two belts on Cena at the moment.

Seth needs a run defining victory and I predict this is coming at SS.

It would be pretty self indulgent to stick it all on Cena again.

The only other option is Sheamus to come away with it all?

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02 Aug 2015 15:30:17
Was watchting roddy piper matches and the tag team match him and flair against Orton and edge in london triple h and shawn michaels are sitting in the crowd and they get told to leave and guess who's working as security lol

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02 Aug 2015 15:39:54
Hes the last security guard aswell and takes a pedigree

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02 Aug 2015 22:50:53
For anyone intrested it was Shamus

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02 Aug 2015 23:57:55
Wasnt Barrett one of them too. I saw it recently on some youtube vid about stars who appeared as extra's before making it big. Sheamus & Barrett were together as guards for something, not sure if it was that match tho.

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03 Aug 2015 00:33:39
Never noticed Barrett woody Shamus stood out because he's tall and ginger lol

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03 Aug 2015 10:47:24
I seem to recall a picture of Cesaro with hair being one of the cops that arrested John Cena once.

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03 Aug 2015 23:22:36
Couldn't imagine him with hair lol

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04 Aug 2015 13:39:53
Google Cesaro as a cop and you won't need to.

It was Vince having DX arrested.

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02 Aug 2015 10:49:24
Will wwe do a tribute night for hot rod on raw tomorrow because he was recently released from his legends contract I'm sure

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02 Aug 2015 14:11:09
They have to. They already have tolled the bell at one event and not to do anything would make the WWE look petty and mean-minded.

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02 Aug 2015 15:08:03
They are very petty and mean minded though COYS suppose it depends how bad the fall out was did they do anything for macho man when he passed do you know I can't remember

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02 Aug 2015 20:29:02
It appears Piper was never actually let go from his Legends contract. There seemed to be some misunderstanding involving an interview with Ric Flair that lead to the rumor.

The WWE just didn't go out of their way to dispel the rumor. Whether it was because they wanted to stay on Stone Cold's good side, they've just become that lazy, or you know?! . reasons.

They did do a tribute video for Randy Savage.

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02 Aug 2015 22:50:23
Kl jables just couldn't remember about savage thanks for clearing that up.strange why that went down the way it did for piper towards the end in wwe.

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03 Aug 2015 10:49:24
I would imagine Roddy will be treated in a similar vein to Dusty.

He has a 35 year relationship with the WWE, and was there for Vince near the beginning.

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01 Aug 2015 21:06:19
RIP Roddy, one of my favourites from the moment I got into wrestling in the 80's. Great talker, underrated in the ring, true legend he will be missed

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03 Aug 2015 10:50:21
My brothers all time fav. As an odd 10 year old he actually wore a kilt for a bit.

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01 Aug 2015 16:52:27
I remember Piper's match with Bret Hart at Mania 8 for the ICC. He lost, but proved he could wrestle with the best of them.
RIP.

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01 Aug 2015 10:58:15
I've really took this one bad one of my all time favourites. RIP Hot Rod.

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01 Aug 2015 09:33:49
Rip hot rod. One of the best on the mic I have ever seen. Always entertaining and a true legend. Gutted I'll never see another Piper's Pitt.

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01 Aug 2015 01:49:11 I liked the superplex into a driver by Rollins was a great move

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02 Aug 2015 23:59:34
Yeah that was great, hope he does that more often in big matches.

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03 Aug 2015 10:51:41
Seth is holding some back, I think the WWE should treat us to Cesaro vs Rollins 30 minutes of do what you like.

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01 Aug 2015 01:17:21
So sad to hear the passing of hot rod, a great heel and in all a great person. Gone to soon

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01 Aug 2015 00:25:21
Cant believe it. Was just watching an interview on youtube of a talkshow Piper did this week talking about Hogans firing. Thought i'd read the comments only to see a tonne of R.I.P messages. Extremely sad news, can't believe we've lost Piper, Dusty & Warrior in little over a year.

R.I.P Hot Rod

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01 Aug 2015 01:48:03
Surely it ain't true

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31 Jul 2015 23:43:47
Another one of my early wrestlers gone too soon. RIP hot rod :-(

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31 Jul 2015 23:21:20
Rest in peace Hot Rod. :(

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31 Jul 2015 23:16:04
Very sad news. Roddy Piper just past away today.

{Ed007's Note - So sad man :( RIP Piper.}

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30 Jul 2015 21:18:42
Once Taker, HHH, Stone Cold etc finally hang up their wrestling tights, not only will we have lost 3 all time greats, but also 3 magnificent entries to the ring.
With the exception of Wyatt, all of today's seem to be much of a likeness, though I did use to enjoy the Shield's entry.
My favourite of all time music wise was Edge, but as a spectacle, the Taker cannot be beaten.

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30 Jul 2015 21:59:43
Edges was average nothing to it atall mines was always hulk hogans and ultimate warriors growing up but your right about undertaker being the best spectacle wyatts is the only 1 that's different from the rest reigns kept the shields but isn't the same since he high fives the crowd

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31 Jul 2015 08:57:46
I can't wait for " My Name is Enzo Amore!". The Vaudevillains entrance is excellent also.

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31 Jul 2015 09:12:41
Triple h's is good can't bear hbks though!

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31 Jul 2015 09:44:55
Edge is maybe the best all rounder in the last 10 years imo. He had some of the best music of all time andnis the greatest mitb holder of all time.

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31 Jul 2015 10:12:26
I like how New Day comes out, that little promo they do before their music hits etc.

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31 Jul 2015 10:20:36
You won't beat the Taker, but Wyatt's is as good as it gets recently.

I remember reading a while back that the WWE were cutting back on the fireworks and pyro, perhaps if revenues went up there would be room for improvement.

I think its fair to say when Finn Balor's demon arrives on a big stage I will be interested to see how it comes off.

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31 Jul 2015 16:00:24
[I can't wait for " My Name is Enzo Amore!"]

You might not have to wait to long RM8. They could be brought up very soon. (Maybe the night after SummerSlam?)

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31 Jul 2015 19:38:41
Yeah it could be in the offing I don't think they will do great things but they could bring a lot of much needed real fun to Raw & Smackdown. New Day, Titus, Dean Ambrose & HHH are literally the only people I laugh at these days.

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31 Jul 2015 22:08:36
Bessex I don't think it's money think it's more to do with health and safety and when balor gets brought up his will definitely be number 1

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03 Aug 2015 10:53:50
Perhaps, but remember that Adam Rose's entrance was amazing in NXT when everyone in fall sale joined in. Instantly looked budget on the big stage though.

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30 Jul 2015 20:13:32
Has anyone ever managed to watch, track down or heard anything about a wrestling documentary called The Circus: Live Fast, Die Young that was meant to be getting released a few years back?

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31 Jul 2015 10:21:29
Nope, but if it wasn't a WWE production but used WWE footage its probably locked in a vault in Titan Towers.

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29 Jul 2015 21:08:45
after reading various posts and watching a few different podcasts talking about finishes past and present i'm curious on ppl's thoughts about whether a 1 last match from stone cold could end on a stunner as just like jakes ddt has been ruined the stunner seems to be a dead move after cenas no sell springboard stunner which clearly has more effect on an opponent tht the str8 stand up stunner

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30 Jul 2015 07:14:44
Its always evolving - the atomic drop used to be a finisher way back in the day, don't think anyone has seen one of those since Owen Hart.

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30 Jul 2015 09:11:41
I think it would still work for SCSA, the main reason being he used to hit his with such intensity you believed it could 'stun' the opponent. Cena's springboard stunner is sloppy and lacks any snap or impact. It's the same with Jake, sure the ddt is a regular move now but he hit his with so much snap it would still be believable as having more impact than a regular one

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30 Jul 2015 09:21:58
I think you're thinking too much in to that.

Stone Cold's finish is the stunner, if he was going to have one last match (which he may not) and if he was going to win it (which he probably wouldn't) he would certainly end it with the stone cold stunner.

If the Rock can still finish matches with the people elbow, then people will accept the stunner.

Super kicks and top rope elbows are common now, but you know if Savage or HBK were wrestling that's what we'd get.

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29 Jul 2015 08:39:16
Up to this point I was quite enjoying tough enough. However,the Miz makes it unwatchable for me, wasting his save on Amanda to ensure Mada goes home was ridiculous. I thought Mada was improving week by week and should not have even been in the bottom. But like everything else the Miz touches, this has turned to s**t

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29 Jul 2015 16:33:34
I do think Mada has a lot of potential but he was also someone that was trying to become an actor, so I'm happy he got eliminated. This way if he's actually serious about becoming a wrestler, he'll have no problem accepting the developmental deal that the WWE will almost assuredly give him. If he would of won, the only thing he probably would of ended up doing is playing a couple "bad guy #3" or "secondary gang member" roles in WWE films before getting released.

Also, this might be the only week Miz is a judge. Its rumored that Bret Hart or Ric Flair will be the permanent replacement. So I thought it was hilarious. Miz got to essentially say FU for releasing my wife, while unintentionally pissing off Kevin Dunn. In my book that's a win-win-bonus-win situation.

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30 Jul 2015 09:23:05
I've never watched it, I'll just look forward to seeing the new recruit when he makes it to NXT.

Don't let yourself get wound up by it.

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28 Jul 2015 19:22:49
Never have I been so angry at an ending of raw. How does the company's supposed best in rollins not only lose cleanly but taps to a guy who has a busted nose. If cena hit an aa and rollins rolled out of the ring and walk away then fine but this is beyond stupidity. Just shows how far john cena is up vince's ass

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29 Jul 2015 10:04:48
After watching it I didn't mind.

By complete fluke they've left a massive window for Seth to say he was screwed by the ref and the trainers stopping him when he was on top.

The match was good.

I'm sure this will build to Seth winning at Summerslam.

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29 Jul 2015 13:13:14
While watching the match I was really enjoying it, it's just the ending was just really badly done making rollins look weak, but I do think it has left rollins wide open to win at summerslam

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30 Jul 2015 09:25:04
Everything Rollins does makes him look weak.

With the exception of the odd PPV match his entire act has been designed to make him look like a cowardly weasel.

Losing to Cena doesn't make anyone look weak, though he should have taken that STF for at least 3 seconds.

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28 Jul 2015 15:36:16
Even I can admit that Cena winning that match was terrible booking.

However, Big Show v Ambrose showed how you realistically book the giant with his opponent still going over despite the loss.

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28 Jul 2015 23:15:29
I loved the Miz on commentary for Big Show vs Ambrose. While I would have had the match end a little differently, I was just happy they actually made Ambrose look strong.

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29 Jul 2015 10:06:51
The Miz actually was awesome.

"That's exactly what I would have done" was cracking me up by the end.

It was solid booking to get Show more over as a heel, and Ambrose more over as a guy that doesn't care about his own well being.

The bad guy won the battle, the good guy won the war, solid segment.

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28 Jul 2015 15:36:12
So with Hogan now being completely erased from the WWE as if he was never there - what gimmick do you think Curtis Axel will be given from here?

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28 Jul 2015 21:37:11
I saw a picture of Axel and Sandow from a live event this weekend. Sandow looked the same, just with out the Savage 80's era colored trunks. Axel on the other hand, came out in black jorts looking like a skinny "Thuganomics" era Cena. It really would of looked like that era Cena if he had the chain lock necklace.

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29 Jul 2015 10:12:19
Axlemania was funny for a bit, but was always a stupid gimmick, as was Macho Mandow.

I hope they are both booked more seriously.

I still say they've deliberately cooled Sandow off after he was so over working with the Miz. He should have just been Damian Sandow, a guy who mocks his opponents openly, as if he was a comic shutting down heckles with better one liners.

I still say Curtis Axel is a daft name, everyone knows he is Kurt Hennigs son, Joe Hennig in a singlet would have got over instantly. Charolette is showing how you evolve your Dads work.

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29 Jul 2015 14:38:53
Joe Henning "The Perfect Son" would have defo been a better way for him to make an impact. Would be solid contender for mid-card titles if used correctly

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29 Jul 2015 19:16:41
"The Perfect Son" made me think of a Macaulay Culkin/Elijah Wood movie from the early 90's called 'The Good Son.' That would be one helluva different gimmick though.

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30 Jul 2015 09:28:45
The Evolution of Perfection Joe Hennig, using his slightly funkier version of his dads theme would have sold me.

The obvious gimmick would be to have him win every week with the fisherman's suplex, selling the fact it was unbreakable, then inevitably after 6 months someone like Cena or Reigns becomes the first to break it.

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28 Jul 2015 09:34:31
28 Jul 2015 09:26:26
Just watched raw and Vince is back to his Cena Love in. Truly embarrassing. They might as well just scrape Nxt bcos no one can break through unless Cena is dead or in a wheelchair. Even if he retires I believe McMahon will bring him in to squash the champion. And Cole jerking off over Cena winning was truly cringeworthy. Terrible ending. Not going to watch Summerslam to see cena win the title for the 625th time

ReetRed

{Ed023's Note - Sorry Reet, I posted the original in the wrong section}

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28 Jul 2015 09:38:56
I didn't think we had Raw spoilers on here until after 3pm

Though hearing Cena wins isn't much of a spoiler.

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28 Jul 2015 17:58:31
So what now? The US title is more prestigious than the World Title? Truly horrible booking, no need for Cena to go over clean, it adds nothing to either stars and does nothing for either title. All it does is prove what we already knew, with or without the title Vincent sees Cena as the guy.
I'm totally sick of it, they need to build new stars and that won't happen if they insist on Cena winning every feud and beating the champion for no reason at all. Reign number 16 is not far away I fear.
The other thing that is really making me angry is the commentary consistently trying to convince us Cena is one of the all time greats, what happen to true colour commentary I've not witnessed it for nearly 10 years.
The strangle hold Cena has on WWE depresses me greatly as he is holding back some truly great talent

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28 Jul 2015 20:13:18
It annoys me when they do the Cena all time great thing, no surprises there then. He is a manufactured all time great, to this day they still pipe chants in non stop or him and we all know about the manipulation with merch. If the guy is that good then those things should not be needed. He appeals to pretty much one group and that is kids and let's be honest, kids are easily pleased. Someone like Punk could of appealed to everyone.

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29 Jul 2015 10:14:18
Now I have seen Raw its all fine guys, it was a good match, Big Match John winning is pretty much a guarantee Seth wins at Summerslam.

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29 Jul 2015 15:35:12
The match was alright for me. Cenas matches are just constantly the same. They just kick out of everything. There is no build or psychology just big move after big move.

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30 Jul 2015 09:30:11
That's pretty much how I like it, but selling the injuries the Ambrose did in his match with Show is great with the right character.

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28 Jul 2015 09:08:37
Just watched Raw and all I can say is that was just crap! WWE just basically told us all tonight what we already knew JOHN CENA IS ABOVE EVERY TITLE! He with broken nose an all beats Seth Rollins CLEAN and not only that he tapped him out. I'll watch Summerslam but won't be paying as I will only watch Taker/Lesner.

I knew when I seen a report recently that ratings were very low, so they panic and throw superman into the main event picture again! Here's a route to making stars WWE; actually have a Rusev, Wyatt, Owens win the rubber match for once? Maybe, give Cesaro, Ambrose a consistent run? Watch them spoil the Wyatt family's reunion too by have superman 2.0 beat them in a handicap match or something. I did read Sting and Ambrose were rumoured be involved in that match, I assume to give Reigns fake pops from the Brooklyn crowd.

Sorry for the rant but for the time being I'm done with Raw and WWE but I'll watch Taker/Lesner and that's my lot.

Also, don't be shocked to see Cena win the strap and pass the torch to Reigns at Mania or even Survivor Series.

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28 Jul 2015 10:22:36
I have been so uninterested in WWE recently with this Cena Love in. It just leaves me feeling drained every time I see the guy bury someone.

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30 Jul 2015 19:39:46
Have to agree with Ed I left sky and went with virgin and have not watched raw since all I do is watch the hilights and it is just about super cena

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28 Jul 2015 05:51:30
Thought I would get in here early and give my take on Cenas broken nose. Fair play to the guy for finishing the match the way he did. Although it was a terrible ending to the match, at least he finally tightened up that STF. I have read comments on websites though how people like me now need to respect John Cena for wrestling 5 minutes with a broken nose. D Bryan wrestled for 20 minutes with a broken orbital bone and a detached retina and he wasn't getting paid millions of dollars to do so. I commend him for it but it doesn't change my opinion of him. As for Michael Cole jizzing in his pants over how tough Cena is. Check out Robbie Lawler vs Rory MaCdonald at UFC 189 then talk about toughness or as we all on here know, Mick Foley in Hell in a Cell.

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28 Jul 2015 09:42:30
I don't think their is any need to compare, you have to be quite tough to carry on doing your job with a broken nose.

At the same time its worth noting that a rugby player or boxer wouldn't flinch.

Fair play for finishing hurt, but its not quite when Triple H ripped his thigh.

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28 Jul 2015 15:14:58
Thats the thing Bessex, I was ready to give him a bit of praise then I read comments on certain websites about how John Cena must be respected by everyone now and then Michael Cole calling him the toughest WWE champion of all time. It soured me again, because this is what it is like. I admit I may be a bit harsh at times but on the opposite end they ride Cena so hard and everything he does is much better than everyone else doing it.

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29 Jul 2015 10:17:54
Such is life, I find it odd that nowhere on any site have I read any criticism of Seth?

Can you imagine the backlash if Cena smashed someone's face in with a miss timed knee?

Cena did well in that match, but there is no denying (as brutal as it was) a smashed nose isn't a career threatening injury no matter how bad Cole says it is.

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29 Jul 2015 15:37:51
There is faults on both sides in my opinion. Yes Rollins threw the knee but Cena looked like he ducked his head down. I have not watched it back so maybe I am wrong.

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30 Jul 2015 09:32:20
Seth had hold of his head, so I can see how JC could have done anything.

I love Rollins, and he is without doubt one of the best of the next lot of stars, but I think that one is on him.

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27 Jul 2015 20:11:27
Popa-Lazarou, you asked how many superstars have been injured by Brock. I can think of 5 off the top of my head.

1) Shawn Michaels at WM29
2) Roman Reigns at 'Mania
3) Big Show chair shot at the Rumble
4) WM19 vs Angle - Brock literally ruined Angle's career.
5) John Cena on an episode of RAW in their rivalry.

and as you've also suggested, Hardcore Holly & the Undertaker.

Jables, Lesnar doesn't have a real MMA background. He was used by the UFC in the same way the WWE use him now. Over the majority of his time in the UFC he fought nobodies or fighters on the decline. The second he had a real MMA/UFC fight he lost in under a minute.

I have no issue with wrestlers wanting to work stiff, but Lesnar doesn't know his limits and as such is a liability.

There have been so many leaked stories that Lesnar is one of the most hated guys in the locker room because of his horrendous attitude and that he doesn't care about his opponent.

and Bessex, how was the original post a troll?

I commented about the ridiculous amount of double standards on this forum right now regarding Cena by using Brock as an example.

If either worked for me, Cena would be the top guy, his attitude, improvement, ability to CREATE and CARRY both a personal brand and the WWE over 10 years makes him a formidable asset.

I wouldn't lose sleep if Lesnar left the WWE, it wouldn't change, however if Cena left the place would be noticeably different.

and in my opinion losing a worker like Cena is a very bad thing.

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27 Jul 2015 21:29:58
I would definitely lose sleep if Lesnar left, I don't know if you can still call him a heel since so many fans love him but he's the only heel I can stand to watch. Most the time he's not on raw I can't even watch it because it's not that interesting! I like Cena I do, but I could sleep if he left. You guys can say whatever you want bout Cena but for awhile he was one of the greats.

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27 Jul 2015 21:47:11
Wow wow wow wait a minute. He did not fight nobodies on the UFC Frank Mir is still Tearing through any up & comer that steps in his way the guy is a bad Dude.

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27 Jul 2015 22:31:45
Angle was injured going into WM, the fact he took the match is a testament to his guts and toughness. Lesnar did not ruin his career.
As for the others, being busted open is hardly an injury.
Mir and Couture are hardly nobodies, have you seen Lesnar's training regime whilst in MMA, watch it and tell me he wasn't a serious competitor.
You talk about Lesnar not being liked backstage, who doesn't like him? Taker certainly seems to respect him as no way the streak would end without his agreement and Taker said years ago he saw Lesnar as the guy to do it. I've yet to see an interview with anyone who has anything bad to say about him. Cena is the only one I can think of who said during their rivalry there was real animosity, he also said the same about The Rock, common demoninator, Cena. Maybe he is the one with the problem.

If I was the owner of a wrestling company Cena would be nowhere near it, he has played politics for 10 years to stay on top with out improving or evolving his character. The last few years has seen him latch onto whoever or what ever is popular with the fans and steal their momentum, cases in point Punk,Bryan, Shield, Wyatt, Nexus. His ability in the ring is limited and he is very sloppy. The only thing he has going for him are his look, which got him his break due to Vince's fetish for bodybuilders. And he has charisma.
My company would have Lesnar as the attraction kind of like Andre in his prime and then work horses like, Bryan, Punk, Cesaro, Rollins, Balor, Owens, Sandow, Neville, Zyan, Barrett, Orton all of whom are far better than Cena and other than Orton haven't really been given a chance.
And I'll preempt the cries of punk was. Whilst he was Champion he was out selling Cena in merchandise and was drawing good numbers, his house show numbers were higher than when Cena was champ, yet Cena still got to close almost every PPV, despite not being in the title picture. They blamed Punk for low ppv buys because he was champ yet he wasn't the main event it was crap like Cena vs John Laurinaitis, how is that being given a fair chance

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27 Jul 2015 22:35:47
1. Michaels only had a bloody nose
2. Reigns was never actually injured.
3. Big Show didn't get injured from the chair shots but did injure himself shortly after, when he punched a ring post too hard.
4. Kurt Angle found out a month before WM19 that he would need neck surgery. When he had surgery after Mania, he elected to try a procedure that had a much shorter recovery time. That is why things started to fall apart for him down the line. The only thing Lesnar did at WM19 was give himself a concussion botching the shooting star press.
5. The only "injuries" Lesnar and Cena have had against each other, was Cena blading for Lesnar at Extreme Rules 12' and then Lesnar blading for Cena last september.

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27 Jul 2015 22:45:42
Superkick have you watched UFC?. Frank Mir, the greatest BJJ practitioner in heavyweight history, Randy Couture who is arguably one of the greatest of all time and Shane Carwin who was 11-0 with 11 first round knockouts at the time. He fought with diverticulitis for a long time as well. He wasn't technically great other than his wrestling, but the guy was a force at the time.

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27 Jul 2015 23:57:30
In referring to Big Show's injury happening "shortly after." I just want to clarify that it was at an event shortly after the Rumble ppv. Specifically a live event the following saturday. Also that it was a turnbuckle and not the ringpost.

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28 Jul 2015 05:40:14
Correction on my UFC post. Carwin was 12-0 with 12 first round finishes, 5 submissions and 7 knockouts. Also the guys Lesnar lost to were Overeem when he was allegedley still on "suppliments" and Cain Velasquez who is an absolute animal and imo the best heavyweight in UFC despite his recent loss.

Lesnar is, whether people like it or not, the biggest star WWE have and they know it themselves. Why else would they pay so much to retain his services. When Lesnar is on the card it instantly draws more eyes. Is Cena a big star, yes of course he is, within the wrestling world. There is a reason that they bring back the Rock, Lesnar, Taker, Austin and others like them and it isn't to give us a nostalgic feeling. It is because as much as he sells to kids, Cena is not a big enough star on his own to sell to the casuals.

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28 Jul 2015 09:45:19
Sorry if you were serious, it just seemed like a deliberately extreme view designed to wind up some of the guys on here.

If you really feel that way its cool.

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26 Jul 2015 23:11:55
Luca Franchini, who does WWE announcing for Sky Italia in Italy, announced on Facebook that WWE informed the network that this year's SummerSlam will be 4 hours long. It's possible WWE will make the official announcement this week.

(Official)
Lesnar vs Undertaker

(Rumored)
Cena vs Rollins (WWE/US title)
Wyatt Family vs Ambrose, Reigns, and Sting
Team Bella vs Team B.A.D. vs Team PowerPuff Girls
Owens vs Cesaro
Ryback vs the Big Show(IC title)
Prime Time Players vs the New Day(Tag Team titles)
Ziggler vs Rusev

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27 Jul 2015 09:41:19
I see know reason when there is months between them why they can't build Summerslam in to the 2nd Wrestlemania it was supposed to be.

Though I feel the build would need to start in June, I would love to get excited because its "Summerslam Season".

Big arena, big names, big matches, Summerslam should be the 2nd biggest show of the year.

Survivors Series and Royal Rumble have specific gimmick matches that make them what they are, Summerslam is only as big as they hype it.

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27 Jul 2015 18:40:03
Two day June WWE Network special.

Queen of the Ring and King of the Ring Tournament. 8 competitors, no interference, and each winner gets a title match at SummerSlam.

I'd also scrap the Money in the Bank ppv and just make the MitB match part of SummerSlam.

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26 Jul 2015 03:06:01
I have 3 questions,
Let's say Vince retires at wm 32 how long do you guys think it will take for wwe to go back to TV 14 or even pg 13?
Do you think Cena should turn heel? I feel like he'd be like a poor mans lesnar, just beating the crap out of people and no more pandering?
Why not put all the younger guys like Neville on smackdown try to rebuild smackdowns rep and have a major title and have it defended once a month, have number one contender tournaments. Then eventually have them invade raw and all the top tier guys?

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26 Jul 2015 16:50:22
1. I can't see Vince retiring for a good few years unfortunately but if he did then I think it may be at least another year before they change the rating. If its HHH that takes over then I think the first thing he'll try & do is drop Raw back to 2hrs.
2. I don't want Cena to turn heel because nothing will change. A heel turn will keep him in the main event & he will definitely get a title run or 2 out of it. Also he will eventually turn face again & get a title run out of that too.
3. I don't want to see a brand split again & definitely don't want to see another world title, 2 world titles in one company don't make sense to me. Smackdown does to to be made more relevant tho.

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26 Jul 2015 18:38:15
Smackdown will be moving to the same network(USA) as RAW(and Tough Enough) in January. It looks like it's going to be live and they might move it back to fridays. Smackdown this week, is pretty much what were going to get until then though.

I think Vince will step aside after WM32. Whenever it happens though, we'll know it's happened when Kevin Dunn gets fired.

Cena doesn't have that much time left, and has said numerous times he doesn't want to turn heel. So I wouldn't even bother. This is the point in his career when he needs to be given an ultimatum. He can either spend those last few years mostly putting people over, like so many did for him. Then end it with a grand Mania retirement match. Or he can just retire now. I'd say he go somewhere else, but no one else could afford him.

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26 Jul 2015 20:38:33
i get that Cena wants to be the good guy and from what I've seen and heard he's a great guy out of the ring, but his whole stuff is old. His promos and matches are the same every week. If WWE is serious about giving Cena another shot at the WWE title his going to have to lose the U.S. Title to Cesaro, although I believe Cesaro should be getting the title shot because he's one of the best right now it'd be great to see him in feuds with rusev, KO, Neville and others for the title

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26 Jul 2015 22:23:55
It is looking like both titles will be on the line. If they play the Copycat Crush game right, it will be a career defining moment for Seth Rollins. If they play it wrong, it will just be another boring trip to SuperCena Land.

I'm guessing Billy Kidman still doesn't think he's a great guy outside of the ring.

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27 Jul 2015 01:03:26
It makes no sense to make it for both titles, because only one of them will be defended at a ppv most likely the WWE title so then the U.S. Title goes back to where it was before Cena won it. I know a WWE world heavyweight defense is a special occasion but it'd be nice if let's say Cena won have a open challenge on raw. Or just a title defense on raw

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27 Jul 2015 02:56:51
They are doing it because they are intentionally copying ROH, who just went through a "true" champion fued between Jay Lethal and Jay Briscoe. Lethal is now both the ROH World Champion and the ROH World Television Champion. On ROH TV after Lethal became dual champion, Nigel McGuinness who is the matchmaker/authority called Lethal out to relinquish one of the two titles. Lethal refused to do so. McGuinness then allowed him to keep both titles but told Lethal there would come a time when he would have to defend both titles on the same night.

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27 Jul 2015 09:53:31
1. Vince will probably never retire, he will always have his finger in until he croaks in gorilla.

Pg14 will depend on sponsors and deals, I'm pretty sure the WWE is aimed at children because their main sponsors and television deals require it. If Beer and porn companies were paying the bills I'm sure we would have a very different product.

Cena has recently said he intends to stay with the WWE after his body has given up, so I don't see us getting rid of him anytime soon. I don't see him turning heel, which is actually the best time to do it. I wouldn't hold my breath though.

I have been saying for years that we don't need a brand split, but Smackdown needs its own stories, perhaps just four or 5 guys that only appear on Smackdown. Make it so you are missing something if you only watch Raw.

I think if you made Barrett, Neville, Stardust, and Ryback feud over the IC title and made it the headline of Smackdown every week, with just a small recap about it on Raw it would become an important part of the Universe again.

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27 Jul 2015 21:20:24
I don't know why they would aim it at children though when they turn the camera at the audience and everything maybe 15-25% are kids most are adults.

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28 Jul 2015 09:07:43
Clark_K - how many adults buy toys, sticker albums etc? that's why it will always be aimed at kids. Parents may buy tickets to the shows but its the merchandise the kids buy that keeps the gears oiled

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28 Jul 2015 09:50:31
I go to the pantomime at Christmas and its mainly adults.

Its very much for Children.

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26 Jul 2015 01:02:24
People say lesnar (the stiffest and most botch-prone superstar in the WWE) is to good or to big for a tag match yet Cena should drop down the card and put people over.

Oh the hypocrasy.

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26 Jul 2015 03:05:42
Cena don't need to drop down the card, he need to drop off it for good.

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26 Jul 2015 05:06:22
Is there anything wrong with being a bit stiff? And you want to talk about botch prone, maybe you should check your boy Cena, superkick. Name one thing Lesnar botched in his match with Rollins. Cause i'll give you at least 3 things that Cena botched against Owens ;-)

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26 Jul 2015 09:36:02
Wow Superkick. You seem to be the anti-Bear of this site, a genuine Cena fan and good luck to you.
But you have completely missed the point of Lesnar. He is a force of nature who has backed it all up in 'real' action on MMA.
Cena? Talk about 'stiffest' and 'botch-prone'. It is same old same old all the time with him. He has a title. He says it is the greatest honour to hold it. He says he will defend it with pride.
Then along comes a heel who wants to take the title and to destroy Cena. Cena says bring it on. Heel wins first match. Cena then ties it up. Cena then wins the decider after having looked down and out and repeatedly kicks out of his opponent's best moves. Cena moves onwards and upwards, opponent's momentum is halted.
Cena has now decided the US title is not good enough for him so he moves on to Rollins. Yawn.

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26 Jul 2015 09:50:53
Think you had 1 to meny last night superkick lol

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26 Jul 2015 11:13:43
I personally think Brock should not be WWE champion again. I also Believe John should not be WWE champion again. Roman Reigns, Dean Ambrose, Kevin Owens, Neville, Luke Harper, Bray Wyatt, Cesaro, Rusev, Finn Balor, Dolph Ziggler & Cody Rhodes. The time is now F*ck legend matches at Sunmerslam & Wrestlemania. Give me the stars of today & let them shine like we see on NXT specials. All the guys on that list I know can have better matches than anything Involving John Cena. Finn Balor & Roman Reigns are pretty good at kicking out of Multiple finishers & also contributing massively to matches. John Cena can't even sell his own submission as painful he is an absolute worm & you know what I wouldn't care if he couldn't Wrestle again. I am no Daniel Bryan Fan but give me someone as talented as Beardo over John Cena Any Day of the week.

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26 Jul 2015 11:39:17
Lesnar is a special attraction, a true big name draw, it just wouldn't work to bring him back for a tag match. The only scenario that makes sense would be as the captain of a traditional elimination Survivor Series team against the authority

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26 Jul 2015 13:29:50
I'm by no means a huge Cena fan, I don't mind him, as far as I'm concerned he's just there.

Cena does botch moves, but lesnar has caused so many huge injuries through botches. His amateur wrestling background means he should be well versed in the art, apparently not.

I simply think there are a lot of double standards.

One thing that does make me laugh though is that Cena gets a lot of stick because he is the face of the PG era, everything that is supposedly 'wrong' with the WWE.

Everyone should just calm down and watch the product, there are things I do and don't like (I like lesnar btw) and there have been times where I didn't watch for a couple of years.

So if lesnar, Rollins, Cena, etc. are unbearable for you to watch without moaning then consider a different wrestling promotion?

Push the guys who work hard, drop those who don't. That's what I believe.

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26 Jul 2015 17:04:15
Amateur wrestling does not condition you to be a good pro wrestler. If anything its likely to make you stiffer because its a real contact sport so when you go into pro wrestling that aspect can be hard to shake off. It was the same for Kurt Angle. Also Brocks 2nd run is coming off the back of UFC so he's expected to be stiff to keep that badass UFC appeal, again it was the same for Ken Shamrock back in the day.

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26 Jul 2015 18:38:19
Superkick how many huge injuries has he caused? I can think of 2.
1- Hardcore Holly suffered a broken neck, however it was his own fault as he sandbagged for Lesnar while attempting a powerbomb
2- Taker suffered concussion minutes into the match at WM30, purely accidental
please tell me the numerous other huge injuries you're attributing to him.

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26 Jul 2015 21:22:19
Lesnar works "stiffer" because that's one of the components of the strong style of wrestling that he prefers. Which is also the style that a lot of wrestlers with an mma or amateur background prefer. Because they want everything they do to look as legit as possible.

In Shamrock's case he first trained to be a pro wrestler and it was working the style in Japan that actually lead him into mma. After he signed with WWF he got to hone his style even more against the Harts and the Hart Foundation. Angle and Lesnar were even more fortunate getting to be taught by Benoit.

It's a style that may look brutal but you'd be a whole helluva a lot safer in the ring with any of them, then you would be with Cena.

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27 Jul 2015 09:55:54
Superkicks initial post was surly just trolling?

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