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02 Mar 2017 11:23:37
After watching Smackdown, does anyone else get the impression they could use the situation with Wyatt and Orton to turn Wyatt face.
Orton acted and looked like a total heel. He invaded someones property and burnt there place of worship to the ground. All the while being calm yet maniacal at the same time. His facial expression at the end was pure evil heel Orton.
Then there's Wyatt in the arena having a breakdown, crying and coming off as a sympathetic character for the first time in his run.
It could be me totally misreading it, but I felt Wyatt came across more as face than Orton here.


1.) 02 Mar 2017 11:47:13
My thought was desecrating the grave and burning down someone's shed is not exactly face move material.

2.) 02 Mar 2017 14:08:26
A lot of the biggest faces of the past basically acted like heels. Austin, Rock, Shawn, HHH etc all acted like heels while they were face. I'm glad they're avoiding the goody 2 shoes cookie cutter type of face (that should be the sole preserve of Cena for now, and even he isn't as goody 2 shoes as before)

3.) 02 Mar 2017 15:27:12
I thought it was major heel by Orton, i still got a sneaky feeling that Rowan is going to show up very soon.

4.) 02 Mar 2017 18:15:28
I hope they go the Wyatt-Face Orton-Heel, route. The WWE and fans continually seem to forget that Orton Face runs don't go well. Plus It'd hopefully lead to a Face-Wyatt vs Heel-Ambrose feud.

5.) 02 Mar 2017 20:28:31
It is very hard for someone who has set fire to s supposedly real tomb to be classified as a face. Only in wrestling which can be very odd at times.

6.) 03 Mar 2017 09:20:35
It would have been pretty special if Rowan had turned up to stop Orton, or even emerged from the flaming shed as it went off air.



17 Feb 2017 11:16:38
Touch of class by John Cena on Smackdown, as Wyatt was pinning him (clean for the second consecutive time) you can hear Cena say 'You're the real champion now' or something similar.
Nice touch I thought shows it's not just the fans who think Wyatt deserves his run with the belt.


1.) 17 Feb 2017 12:06:19
The fact its heard on camera isn't very good, but he is one of genuine nice guys.

Regularly goes out of his way to live up to the image he portrays.

2.) 17 Feb 2017 12:06:19
The fact its heard on camera isn't very good, but he is one of genuine nice guys.

Regularly goes out of his way to live up to the image he portrays.

3.) 17 Feb 2017 12:22:08
AJ Styles has done a couple of interviews since and he has said that Cena planned a lot of the match and made sure it was in Wyatts favour. People may have a go at Cena but over the past 12 - 18 months he has started to pass the torch quite well. Clean wins for Owens,
Styles and Wyatt which has really established them.

4.) 17 Feb 2017 12:28:30
X pac has come out and said that cena insisted that bray went over again. It was all said out back.

He must be in clark kent mode at the moment, he always seemed a nice guy.

5.) 17 Feb 2017 12:41:42
Yeah I've never been a fan of SuperCena, always thought he was being protected ala Hogan. But the last few years he's really grown on me as clearly unlike Hogan he uses his backstage influence for the betterment of the product and not his personal vanity.
I like how well he's put over Wyatt, Styles and Owens. Even the manner of his loss to Lesnar. Putting them over is one thing but putting them over clean and ensuring they look strong is really classy.

6.) 17 Feb 2017 17:54:41
It's nice to see in the moment, but it won't matter much if Bray just ends up losing to Orton.

I'll start celebrating people getting put over, when it starts happening in big matches at Mania.

7.) 17 Feb 2017 20:34:13
Wow. A John Cena love-in. He is disappearing to Hollywood again and there was no question of him retaining. In fact, the WWE pushed through number 16 before he goes.
It would have made far more sense for Styles to retain at the Rumble and then for him to lose it at the Chamber.
I have no doubt that he will eventually beat Flair's record. Cena hasn't changed his spots overnight and I suspect he has only really become more popular the more they have pushed Reigns down our throats.

8.) 17 Feb 2017 21:14:02
Randy Orton requested that he works with Bray and the whole Wyatt thing, so I'd be really surprised if he goes over at mania. If he does then that's all down to Vince. I personally think Bray will have that title for a long time.

9.) 18 Feb 2017 08:19:37
Personally I hope Wyatt retains. From all the rumours I've read it seems like he will too. As others have said Orton requested to work with Wyatt as he recognised how stale his character had become.
He has also stated many times he prefers being a heel. So what if he somehow recruits Harper and Rowen and takes over the family turning Wyatt face.

10.) 18 Feb 2017 19:56:02
Surely Wyatt has to retain at WM? It would be a huge mistake if Orton goes over. It's time for them to build Wyatt as a legit main event player. Give him a long and dominant reign and only have him drop it to your top face (which by that time should be AJ Styles)

I'd like to see Wyatt feud with Orton, Ambrose, Cena and even Harper. Give him a decent reign and then when it's time for a change give AJ a face run with the belt.

11.) 18 Feb 2017 20:15:43
In fairness John cena comes across as a really nice guy and probably is, interesting fact he holds the record for make a wish foundation charity appearances (by a loooong distance as well) .

As for trying to break Hollywood fair enough! Has achieved everything in wrestling and perhaps the WWE is backing him as not only has he made them an unseen amount of money, but was purely off his hard work!

12.) 18 Feb 2017 21:20:29
Sorry just double checked that stat. I was wrong. his done 500.



03 Feb 2017 12:20:31
Meltzer reporting that this is the current card for WM prior to Raw on Monday.
WWE Universal Championship
Goldberg (c) vs. Brock Lesnar

WWE Championship
Bray Wyatt (c) vs. Randy Orton

RAW Women's Championship
Charlotte (c) vs. Bayley vs. Sasha Banks vs. Nia Jax

Roman Reigns vs. The Undertaker

Seth Rollins vs. Triple H

Kevin Owens vs. Chris Jericho

AJ Styles vs. Shane McMahon

John Cena & Nikki Bella vs. The Miz & Maryse

The Big Show vs. Shaquille O'Neal

Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal

Obviously few things jump out-
First- Seth might not make it due to injury so I'm guessing that match changes or gets replaced.

Second- No IC, US, Smackdown womens or either tag titles on the line. Apparently this line up includes the pre show too so theses titles are just not important to management by the looks of it.

Third- How many deserving guys are missing. Ambrose, Zyan, Corbin, Strowman (guessing all in the Andre Jobber Battle Royal) to name a few. I also think Joe must be on the card somewhere after showing up Monday.

Final thoughts- I understand the thinking behind the top two matches- Push Bray into top tier (finally). Adds edge to a third Lesnar, Goldberg match (maybe Lesnar's career vs Goldberg's title).
I also get Taker V Reigns (trying once more to force him down our throats as 'the guy'. Just hope there's no passing of the torch, but there is a Reigns heel turn either before or during the match.

KO v Jericho - also makes sense it's been set up for ages, be nice if the title was on the line but guessing Jericho loses it before (maybe they cost each other their respective titles to set up the match).

So top half looks sound and logical (if not overly inspired). It's the lower half that I just don't get- Styles v Shane, why? OK it could be seen as management being high on AJ giving him a match against the boss' son and it will probably be entertaining but I just don't get it from a storyline perspective.

Cena is leaving after Mania for a few months hence dropping the title prior to it, so I ask why the hell make a big deal out him getting number 16? He's going to lose it at EC so all it's done is make Styles look weaker prior to Mania. Would have made more sense for Styles to lose it at EC to Bray. You still set up Bray v Orton and could have used it to set up Style's opponent he wants revenge on the guy who cost him his title (would work even if they still went with Shane as Styles blames him for putting him in the match in the first place).
Also this match does nothing for Cena, seems like it's designed purely to put over Total Divas. I just don't get it.

Big Show V Shaq? WHY? no-one cares I'd sooner Ambrose V Corbin no DQ for the IC title.

Sorry for the long post guys, what are your thoughts? I'm hoping Meltzer is wrong as usual.


1.) 03 Feb 2017 20:18:03
Good post Papa. It all sounds about right for the card. That's pretty disappointing if you ask me. The most annoying thing is how close it could have been to a great card.

Just a few tweaks and different types of booking over the last few months and the card could be great.

Cena v Taker either for the title or not
Reigns v Samoa Joe
Balor v Joe, Owens, Zayn, Ambrose etc

They could have saved AJ V Cena for Mania and then inserted Taker into the Goldberg Lesnar feud (if they'd booked Brock to get his wing back at the Rumble)

Rollins could have faced HHH at the Rumble. Reigns could have beat Owens for the title with Jericho costing Owens (I don't like it but bear with me) Then have Ambrose win the Rumble but challenge for the Universal Title. Have Rollins beat Reigns at Fastlane and then Reigns gets his rematch at WM. SHIELD Triple threat for the Universal Title at WM. Have Owens face Jericho for the US Title. And a mixture of the other matches mentioned above.

Only a few weeks ago we were all saying how exciting the Rumble was and how there was lots of different ways they can go. If ut ends up being the card you mentioned (as seems likely then that will Be a huge let down. It had so much promise and it's gone a bit flat in a matter or weeks.

2.) 03 Feb 2017 20:50:48
I forgot to add that one good thing to come from it could be Wyatt getting the title at EC. I just hope the let him go over Orton at WM. Even if it's from interference from Harper I'd be fine with that. They could easily explain that with Bray cutting a promo about having to let the snake get close and bite you to be able to grab it and finally kill it. That could lead to matches further down the line between AJ and Orton for number one contender and then AJ v Wyatt which should be good.

3.) 04 Feb 2017 01:58:39
My workable Dream Card for Mania.
*Ambrose (c) vs Cena WWE title match.
*Goldberg vs Lesnar.
*Orton vs Undertaker, retirement match. HHH as special ref.
*Styles vs Nakamura.
*Owens (c) vs Jericho (c) vs Joe vs Balor and/ or Zayn, 2 falls match for the U. S. and Universal titles.
*Bray vs Harper vs Corbin, for the vacant IC title.
*Strowman vs Reigns.
*Miz vs Shane.
*RAW tag title match.
*RAW womens title match.
*SD womens title match.

*CW title match.
*SD tag title match.
*Andre Battle Royal featuring Big Show and Shaq.
*Multiwoman tag match.

4.) 04 Feb 2017 12:54:26
2 things spring to my mind.
I hate the idea of Goldberg being Universal champ and facing Lesnar for the title. They are both basically part timers and it is a smack in the face for all the wrestlers who are there week in week out. They don't need a title to be at stake for this match.
Wyatt as WWE champ however is a great idea. Someone new with the charisma to back it all up.

5.) 04 Feb 2017 16:09:15
Owens is set to face Lesnar at a live event like the week after Fastlane. I'd like to see them have Goldberg brush off Lesnar's Mania request and go after the title at Fastlane. With Strowman and Reigns getting put in the title match as well. Making it Strowman vs Reigns vs Goldberg vs KO at FL. Reigns and Strowman take each other out and Lesnar sneak attacks Goldberg. Allowing Owens to pin Goldberg. When they do Owens vs Lesnar at the live event, Goldberg returns the favor. Finally accepting Lesnar's request for a Mania match right after. WWE shows footage from the event, making it cannon. Owens gets his own version of "I beat Rock and Stone Cold in the same night. " With "I beat Lesnar and Goldberg in the same week/ month. "



17 Jan 2017 17:58:00
2017 HOF is already shaping up nicely. Rick Rude fully deserved and long overdue in my mind. Kurt Angle one of my all time favourites and deserving of any GOAT list. Amazing technical wrestler, buckets of charisma, great on the mic. He also had two of my favourite matches of all time vs HBK at WM21 and Benoit at RR 2003.
Wonder if he's good enough shape for one more match.


1.) 17 Jan 2017 20:08:28
Rumours are Beth Phoenix is going to be inducted this year too.

2.) 17 Jan 2017 20:29:53
Absolutely chuffed to see Rude in the HOF and Angle was always one of my favourites.
Who else would I like to see? Without being too morbid, I really hope they put Vader in while he can still appreciate it. Regal must be in with a shot and DDP has been such a great bloke would like to see him as well.

3.) 17 Jan 2017 20:40:37
DDP is all ready in coys

4.) 17 Jan 2017 21:33:09
DDP has inducted others, he's not in the HoF yet. He is heavily rumored to be apart of this year's class though.

I'd have to imagine Regal has got be close to being put in. Not just for his wrestling career, but also what he's done the last 10+ years helping the current and next generation of stars.

5.) 18 Jan 2017 11:18:33
With the work that DDP has done over the last few years helping ex wrestlers i'm sure its only a matter of time.

6.) 18 Jan 2017 12:52:43
Be nice to see DDP go in this year. Also like to see British Bulldog go in. Other than that I've heard rumours that Regal, IRS and The Natural Disasters are all on this years list. Got to be honest I wholeheartedly agree with every single one.

7.) 18 Jan 2017 14:03:27
After some of the guys that have gone in it would be hard to say No to anyone who stayed for a little while.

8.) 18 Jan 2017 17:42:32
There's become like 7 classifications that people are put in, and they'll pick 5 or 6 people each year with each person usually being from a different classification.

Former main eventers.
Former womens stars.
Prime time era stars (93 to today)
Golden era stars (82 through 92)
WWWF era stars. (60s-70s)
Foreign former stars.
Former stars that made their name outside of WWE.

It'll likely be 1 or 2 at a time, but the stars of our childhood will get in.

9.) 18 Jan 2017 17:42:32
There's become like 7 classifications that people are put in, and they'll pick 5 or 6 people each year with each person usually being from a different classification.

Former main eventers.
Former womens stars.
Prime time era stars (93 to today)
Golden era stars (82 through 92)
WWWF era stars. (60s-70s)
Foreign former stars.
Former stars that made their name outside of WWE.

It'll likely be 1 or 2 at a time, but the stars of our childhood will get in.



24 Dec 2016 11:35:34
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5.) 24 Dec 2016 22:14:10
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20 Jul 2015 03:14:18
Can someone explain the logic in Cena going over Owens. Great match but why does SuperCenaShovel need to come out. The list of guys whose momentum has just hit a brick wall when they run into Cena is disgusting





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22 Apr 2017 18:47:58
The 80's had some classic entrance themes, but pretty much everyone bar Warrior and Hogan just walked to the ring. I do miss the little carriage made to look like a ring from early Manias though.
Currently love Roode's entrance be great to see how it translates to a bigger arena.




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16 Mar 2017 16:04:38
Yeah I've read reports that Reigns is going over Taker, and will then be booked ridiculously strong throughout the year (like he isn't already), then WM34 he'll go over Brock to cement his place at the top of tree. Really really depressing if this happens.
Saying that I've read conflicting reports that state Vince is high on Styles and wants him on Raw where he will build the show around him and have him headline WM34 (I prefer this option)




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16 Mar 2017 10:57:13
Couple of things from Smackdown.
Firstly is it just me or are Miz and Maryse coming across almost as faces in their interactions with Cena and Nikki? All the points made seem justified and Cena and Nikki's responses almost vindicates Miz.
Secondly I love how invested Wyatt is in his character, the supernatural elements could come across as silly to a modern audience but he delivers them with such commitment. He is a true highlight of the show for me.

Finally- If they play up the firing of Styles angle, how great would it be if they appoint Kurt Angle as the new Raw GM the night after WM and he says that his first act is to introduce the hottest free agent and the best wrestler in the world today as the newest member of Raw, then out walks Styles.




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06 Mar 2017 12:47:03
Goldberg winning was sadly predictable but at least it should add extra spice to Owens V Jericho due to the distraction. (whilst highlighting GOldberg clearly can't go more than 2 mins) . Hopefully it may mean Wyatt gets to go on last at Mania.
The real headscratchers for me are wasting Charlotte's first PPV lose on a secondary show, it should have been saved for Mania, as should Bayley's first title win.
And man what a way to f**k up the great build they have done on Strowman. I've read a lot of articles online saying he still came across strong and no momentum lost. WTF did they watch the same as me, completely wasted what could have been a great undefeated storyline to get Reigns over before taking on Taker. Reigns' win served no purpose, it won't make him more popular, it won't make us clamour to see him take on Taker, all it did is leave Strowman with no clear direction moving forward.




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02 Mar 2017 09:48:18
To be honest Gordo I wouldn't be surprised if neither tag title got defended, Also I can see Smackdown women's title on the pre show (which is 2 hours for Mania) . The main card will have 8-10 matches on it. Pre show probably 3.





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