01 Jun 2017 11:07:17
Oh dear god no, the phenomenal AJ Styles jobbing to zigzag.

1.) 01 Jun 2017
01 Jun 2017 14:38:05
As much as I agree that Styles should be beating Ziggler, I think it is better that these surprises do come along every now and again so that it doesn't become too boring and predictable.

2.) 01 Jun 2017
01 Jun 2017 17:30:27
If they were logically consistent. It would be a hard thing to complain about, because it would be a realistic representation of sports. Some times a struggling or bad team/ fighter wins when people don't expect it. WWE isn't logic or consistent though. So when they do stuff like that, it just looks like they're trying to cool the person off.

In regards to this particular incident, I will admittedly laugh my arse off if Ziggler repeats what Ambrose did, last year, at MitB.

3.) 01 Jun 2017
01 Jun 2017 20:07:46
I have no problem with this at all.
Ziggler is part of the PPV and it makes sense to give each entrant some success in the build up and a surprise is always welcome.
Ussally the build up is so predictable. Just look at RAW.

4.) 02 Jun 2017
02 Jun 2017 10:29:40
Firstly, That's not jobbing.

Secondly, Ziggler hasn't been flavour of the month for a long time but he is long standing one of the best in ring performers, I am glad to see him get a clean win in a main event.

I am sure this one done to create the idea that Ziggler can win MITB (hey perhaps he can)

5.) 02 Jun 2017
02 Jun 2017 11:55:27
Aj is far and away the best wrestler on the roster having him job to zigzag is akin to letting hardcore holly go over stone cold clean . Wwe obviously doesn't know what it has with aj and my worse fears when I heard he was going there are starting to materialize.

6.) 02 Jun 2017
02 Jun 2017 13:49:55
The bloke that The Drifter beat on Raw was jobbing.

Losing a 20 minute main event against another former world champion to promote how open a 6 man ladder match happening in a few weeks is, just isn't doing "the job" its those guys doing their job.

7.) 02 Jun 2017
02 Jun 2017 13:53:40
In my opinion smaller guys like Aj, Ziggler, Sami, Bryan, Punk, HBK, and Balor actually benefit from being beatable.

I makes it so much more powerful when they win.

Surly nobody wants to get an undefeated year down the road and be talking about "Super AJ".

Sometimes the benefit for the product is that the other guy benefits more from the win than the bigger star.

When AJ beats him down the road it'll mean something.

8.) 02 Jun 2017
02 Jun 2017 19:50:52
Bessex, just one thing is getting beat clean 1.2.3 not known as doing a job for a fellow wrestler ? And if that is the case and you are said wrestler , doesn't it then mean that you have been jobbing for the aforementioned wrestler? And zigzag ain't no main eventer, if you think he is on par with aj your having a laugh .

Also aj has just came off a defeat on a ppv so it would make more sense in my eyes to start building him up again , rather than lose more ground putting a mid card talent ( at best ) over .

9.) 03 Jun 2017
03 Jun 2017 10:52:04
I'm with Bessex on this. Dolph is not in the jobber category. There is little point in having him in the MIB if he has no chance of winning.

10.) 03 Jun 2017
03 Jun 2017 23:23:14
You agree with bessex but haven't even read or understood the posts? I never said ziggler was a jobber! Read the post's above, I said aj was jobbing to ziggler, who is a mid carder at best . Why post a comment if you can't be bothered reading the thread?

11.) 04 Jun 2017
04 Jun 2017 03:59:40
If Ziggler just goes back to being the pre-show allstar, then I'll be mad. He doesn't need to win MitB, but he should be kept at least as a fringe upper-carder and away from feuds like Kalisto/ Crews and the "best" of 23 with Corbin.

12.) 05 Jun 2017
05 Jun 2017 10:24:47
Precious, In short I'm not 100% on how the IWC uses "Jobber" "Jobbing" and "Doing the job" but traditionally those phases are used to describe somebody who is only wrestling for a quick buck.

Literally doing a job, just to get paid.

Technically nobody in the WWE is a jobber, the closest thing is James Elsworth, but he got himself a contract and a character.

You might argue that someone like Darren Young is a modern day jobber, but even then he's technically "enhancement talent" which is a nice way of saying jobber. Only there to make the guy you're losing to look good.

Doing the job is going out and getting beat up to make the other guy look good, collecting your money, and going home.

When two top stars have a decent match that's promoted and pushing forward with a story, that's not jobbing, eventually one of them will win the feud, which was always known as "Doing the honours" or "doing a favour" if a top guy elevates someone by letting them win.

13.) 05 Jun 2017
05 Jun 2017 10:31:47
My point is the loser of every match isn't jobbing, there is very little jobbing done on WWE TV.

The 3 man band were sort of jobbers, but their role was enhancing the other talent while trying to get over by being funny, they had contracts and everything they did was geared to keeping them on TV.

However Orton didn't do the job for Jahinder, he did the favour.

It might only seem like a little thing, but I think the older guys amongst us see someone being called jobber as an insult (especially if they are not) so this whole thread is kind of in defence of the fact AJ wasn't being mistreated but rather doing what is necessary to promote the Money In The Bank match.

I hope this clears up how I view the difference in language, and why AJ and Dolfs main event was actually decent.

14.) 05 Jun 2017
05 Jun 2017 19:59:45
OK Precious. You never called Ziggler a Jobber. But you have implied that he does not deserve to be in the same ring as Styles which is absolutely ridiculous.
I would be bored beyond all reason to have Styles win time after time against good wrestlers just to please you.
What exactly do you want? This is the build up to MIB. By your reasoning Ziggler needn't bother turning up.
Would you be happy having Styles, Nakamura, Orton and Owens beating everyone else and then just wrestling each other at PPVs? Would you get upset if someone like Corbin beat Styles? Would you give someone like Cass the chance to join the elite?
The current world champion would have been rated further down the card than Ziggler just weeks ago.

15.) 05 Jun 2017
05 Jun 2017 23:07:10
in there books Bret hart talks about doing the job for Shaun and mick Foley talks about being asked to do a job for several wrestlers, you are getting confused with someone being a jobber ( enhancement talent ) and someone doing a job ( putting a fellow wrestler over clean ) , the past tense of which is jobbing.

I have been watching wrestling since my dad's old 2 and a half meter dish picked up tbs and old wcw was on, you have made this thread about semantics' job, jobber and jobbing are just words, fact is it should be about why aj is putting over a mid carder like ziggler, especially coming off a ppv loss, when we should be talking about, aj, ko, bray and Rollins all main eventers', imo, should all be chasing or defending the top belt, instead they have it on a part timer who hasn't been seen in months . Wrestling isn't just dying it's dead .

16.) 06 Jun 2017
06 Jun 2017 12:46:23
Well we can disagree on the language.

I will be the first to admit Ziggler as a character is a bit stale, but he is a former world champ, and one of the best in ring performers going.

I simply don't think he is mid card, and the fact they had him beat AJ clean in the main event of Smackdown suggests neither do the WWE's decision makers.

I'm sure they are trying to rebuild the Smackdown 6 success of the early brand splits, by putting the best workers in top spots and making it less about showmanship, and more about exciting and unpredictable matches.

People want "I didn't see that coming" matches, enjoy it when someone like Dolf gets to pin AJ, Jahider pins Orton, or Samoa Joe gets to win over Rollins, Balor, and Reigns.

I personally didn't think twice about AJ losing, and don't think it has lowered him.

17.) 06 Jun 2017
06 Jun 2017 16:39:54
Jesus precious is the right name isn't it, if someone doesn't have the same opinion as u it makes the site about opinions of many fans calm down precious.

18.) 07 Jun 2017
06 Jun 2017 23:50:28
Absolutely johny boy if we all had the same opinion it would make for a pretty boring site, fact is I was wrongly called out on something and defend my opinion , if you don't like that perhaps your the one that should get over it, you have added nothing here, so why not just not read my post if it's going to get your bottom lip trembling , or is it you don't like someone debating with your hero bessex?

Coys again I never " implied" anything my posts are very clear, I have no problem with aj being in the same ring as ziggler, my thoughts on it are he should not have been putting him over clean, coming off a ppv loss, Jesus the guy was in a feud with bottom feeders like appolo and sin cara just a week before and now he is beating aj clean it's ridiculous.

I would have no problem if it was Corbin, or ko or the Japanese lady boy ( even if I don't rate him ) that would at least made sense in the grand scheme of things . I see a lot of the respected wrestling journalists agree with me also, but on here it seems bessex is god and no one can have a different opinion.

19.) 07 Jun 2017
07 Jun 2017 10:04:20
Hey, I'm just discussing, I certainly haven't insulted you, or meant to in anyway, we just disagree, which is fine.

As for being a God, well, the true messiah would never claim such things, I'll leave it to my followers to decide. ;0)

20.) 07 Jun 2017
07 Jun 2017 15:13:25
And I have no problem with that bessex, I actually respect your opinion and I haven't insulted you personally either . Its your minions who have contributed nothing to this thread other than, I agree with bessex, you bad man no arguments with bessex, ect . That are grinding my balls 😆.

21.) 07 Jun 2017
07 Jun 2017 15:38:34
I sorry if you feel marginalised, I'm actually really enjoying having a proper wrestling debate.

22.) 08 Jun 2017
08 Jun 2017 09:55:59
Does anyone think it helped make anyone look stronger to have AJ beat Dolf in a much shorter match early on the show this week?

I suppose its about making them appear in the league and competitive, but they could have easily gone up against different opponents this week.

I feel like Nakumura is beating Owens too consistantly.

23.) 08 Jun 2017
08 Jun 2017 13:42:55
Wow. Just wow. I agree and disagree with contributors on this site all the time, but I don't try to make any of it personal.
Just because someone disagrees with you, but agrees with someone else does not make them a 'minion'. Grow up.

24.) 09 Jun 2017
09 Jun 2017 10:08:28
I didn't give you permission to contribute, COYS?

25.) 09 Jun 2017
09 Jun 2017 12:18:28
LOL.
Precious. Why don't we call a truce? I extend my arm for a digital handshake.

26.) 09 Jun 2017
09 Jun 2017 14:18:28
Bessex you think ziggler is a main eventer, fair enough , I don't I think his ship has sailed, they could have made him one but terrible booking has made this impossible now imo, just recently they have had him fighting and getting beat from sin cara and Cruz, how can you come back from that to be a main eventer? It's nearly impossible . I had High hopes for the brand split but the wwe is worse now than ever, I miss what it used to be, where are the factions , the surprise , the story telling , the personal rivalries .

The fans have to take responsibility as well no one has any real heat anymore , the fans cheer for any decent heel, the two wrestlers who get the most heat are the miz ( because he is a very good heel who knows how to work the crowd ) and roman ( unintentionally) there are very few baby faces or heels anymore, it's like they all came out of Vinces wrestle maker 2000 machine, it's for the kids now 😞 just like power rangers, I think it may be finished for adults .

Coys yes if you come on and agree with a post, without reading it, or offering an original opinion, just because of the name at the bottom , you are by sheer definition a minion.

27.) 09 Jun 2017
09 Jun 2017 19:21:01
I take it the handshake is refused then?

28.) 10 Jun 2017
10 Jun 2017 12:06:33
Coys, I put that up before i saw your post was up, now you have shamed me by being the bigger man, I extend a digital hand to your sir 😅😅.

29.) 10 Jun 2017
10 Jun 2017 14:35:54
Nice one Precious. let's do it again, but nicer next time.

30.) 12 Jun 2017
12 Jun 2017 13:58:18
(This is the bit where you're supposed to double cross him)

Lolz. Glad we are all getting on again.

I'd say nothing is impossible in pro wrestling, certainly not losing one year then becoming hot the next. It happens all the time, some of the best have had bad periods before rising like a Phoenix.

Imagine if Bradshaw was just always half of a midcard tag team, losing to all sorts, before he became a wrestling Gaaaaawd.

What about DDP, a jobber for years, before becoming the Master of the Diamond Cutter.

I feel a recovery happens when a guy is put in a spot where he starts wining again.